Possible Šubić-Zrinski YDNA from Székesfehérvár!

[Jana]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41431-020-0683-z#Tab2

A Hungarian team has tested burial remains found within the Royal Basilica of Székesfehérvár in Hungary. Besides prominent graves of the Arpad dynasty, the basilica contains graves of members of various European noble houses, inter alia Habsburg, Anjou and the Jagellonians.

One sample belongs to so-called "Carpatho-Dalmatian" subclade of R1a and matches with Croat from Zadar county, northern Dalmatia.
It was uploaded on yfull in red, which is color for ancient samples.


Šubić noble family originates from northern Dalmatia and belonged to one of 12 Croat noble tribes. They later became most powerful Croatian noble family, defacto rulers of south Croat Lands.
This subclade of R1a would make sense for them, because R-Y2608 is best candidate for one of founding Croat lineages migrating from Carpathian region to Dalmatia, hence it's nickname.

From Eupedia:

Croatian R1a falls almost exclusively within CTS1211, but to another clade (Y35>CTS3402>Y2613>Y2608 subclade, TMRCA 1950 years)

Now, who could this burial be?

Mladen Šubić is a good candidate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mladen...4%87_of_Bribir

Mladen II Šubić of Bribir (Croatian: Mladen II Šubić Bribirski, Hungarian: bribiri Subics Mladen; c.1270 – c.1341), a Croatian leader and member of the Šubić noble family, was a Ban of Croatia and Lord of all of Bosnia.After succeeding his father Paul, he further consolidated the Šubić domain, and brought Stephen Kotromanić to administer Bosnia under his overlordship. His subsequent rule marked the weakening of the Šubić and ended with a mutiny of Dalmatian cities and Croatian nobility in 1322. This further led to Mladen's deposition and imprisonment by king Charles I of Hungary, whom the Šubićs had previously brought to the throne in Hungary with the help of other lords. Mladen continued to develop the state and court institutions, and his de facto rule led to the further development of the chivalric culture in Croatia

Mladen Šubić was later imprisoned on Hungarian Court (which was in Székesfehérvár!) and died there. He was of enough high status (first below King practically) to be buried on such place.

This is all unconfirmed and just a theory, but quite likely one and very exciting! So I wanted to share

[Jana]

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[Rethel]

Subscribed.

[Rethel]

12 Croat noble tribes.

What does it mean?

[Jana]

What does it mean?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve...bes_of_Croatia

Did you see Jagellonian remnants were there too? I wonder about their ydna.

[Rethel]

Did you see Jagellonian remnants were there too? I wonder about their ydna.

Which one?

[Jana]

Which one?

Idk, maybe it's specified in the paper.

[Rethel]

Idk, maybe it's specified in the paper.

Aaa... you meant in the research.

I Understood that among those 12 families.

[Rethel]

Yet two things:

1. I wouldn't be so sure about Yagiellonian Y, as they could not be Gedyminids at all.
So hungarian guys could research that, as I absolutly do not count on polish research.

2. Why did they translate it as tribes? Is it a mistake (f.e. pleme means two things) or done on purpouse,
or they were originally called that? If so, then why plemes insted of rods? Some issues with oldcroatish?