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    You could try applying for other entry level jobs like call centre (perhaps through a temp agency/recruitment centre), like warehouse the experience isnt great but atleast you get to sit down in an office.

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    I'd rather starve to death than do work that I don't like.

    Besides, I don't like working with my hands, I have to work only with my head.

    Besides, I can only work for myself, I do not see myself in the role of an employee. I am my own boss, and other people can either work for me or be in partnership with me

    And in general, as one lawyer friend of mine said, all you need in life is some kind of brilliant financial fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    You don't need a college degree to make decent money but you do need a higher than average IQ. Do you know how many evil hackers hacked a high profile target(s) eventually got busted then started working for the good guys in the cybersecurity industry ? You could become a skilled tradesman, a technician , or start your own business without a college degree.


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    It is not only about money. For many proffessions you need a education or degree. Like doctor, engineer, lawyer, etc. But you can make money without a degree as well.
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    Sometimes u gotta start from the bottom if u wanna go to the top. U know what they say when u are at your lowest, the only way left to go is up!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    It is not only about money. For many proffessions you need a education or degree. Like doctor, engineer, lawyer, etc. But you can make money without a degree as well.
    Dude, WTF are talking about ? He is obviously not going to be a doctor or lawyer etc... and the options I gave are office environment rather than grunt warehouse work.

    Also, average people are stupid in they respect Doctors and lawyers too much :

    "... Contrarily, ordinary folk have a deep respect for professional men of every kind. They are unaware that a man who makes a profession of a thing loves it not for the thing itself, but for the money he makes by it; or that it is rare for a man who teaches to know his subject thoroughly; for if he studies it as he ought, he has in most cases no time left in which to teach it". --Arthur Schopenhauer


    “I've noticed a fascinating phenomenon in my thirty years of teaching: schools and schooling are increasingly irrelevant to the great enterprises of the planet. No one believes anymore that scientists are trained in science classes or politicians in civics classes or poets in English classes. The truth is that schools don't really teach anything except how to obey orders. This is a great mystery to me because thousands of humane, caring people work in schools as teachers and aides and administrators, but the abstract logic of the institution overwhelms their individual contributions. Although teachers to care and do work very, very hard, the institution is psychopathic -- it has no conscience. It rings a bell and the young man in the middle of writing a poem must close his notebook and move to a different cell where he must memorize that humans and monkeys derive from a common ancestor.” ― John Taylor Gatto, Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    It is not only about money. For many proffessions you need a education or degree. Like doctor, engineer, lawyer, etc. But you can make money without a degree as well.
    Motherf*cker college is obsolete it is just that they have a state credentialist mafia behind them. It's like the American post office vs UPS or FedEX obviously the US post office is inferior and obsolete but is being supported by the state and it is the same with college.

    Why College Degrees Are Becoming Useless

    By Jonathan Newman


    Students are running out of reasons to pursue higher education. Here are four trends documented in recent articles:

    Graduates have little to no improvement in critical thinking skills

    The Wall Street Journal reported on the troubling results of the College Learning Assessment Plus test (CLA+), administered in over 200 colleges across the US.

    According to the WSJ, “At more than half of schools, at least a third of seniors were unable to make a cohesive argument, assess the quality of evidence in a document or interpret data in a table”. The outcomes were the worst in large, flagship schools: “At some of the most prestigious flagship universities, test results indicate the average graduate shows little or no improvement in critical thinking over four years.”

    There is extensive literature on two mechanisms by which college graduates earn higher wages: actually learning new skills or by merely holding a degree for the world to see (signaling). The CLA+ results indicate that many students aren’t really learning valuable skills in college.

    As these graduates enter the workforce and reveal that they do not have the required skills to excel in their jobs, employers are beginning to discount the degree signal as well. Google, for example, doesn’t care if potential hires have a college degree. They look past academic credentials for other characteristics that better predict job performance.

    Shouting matches have invaded campuses across the country

    It seems that developing critical thinking skills has taken a backseat to shouting matches in many US colleges. At Evergreen State College in Washington, student protests have hijacked classrooms and administration. Protesters took over the administration offices last month, and have disrupted classes as well. It has come to the point where enrollment has fallen so dramatically that government funding is now on the line.

    The chaos at Evergreen resulted in “anonymous threats of mass murder, resulting in the campus being closed for three days.” One wonders if some of these students are just trying to get out of class work and studying by staging a campus takeover in the name of identity politics and thinly-veiled racism.

    The shouting match epidemic hit Auburn University last semester when certain alt-right and Antifa groups (who are more similar than either side would admit) came from out of town to stir up trouble. Neither outside group offered anything of substance for discourse, just empty platitudes and shouting. I was happy to see that the general response from Auburn students was to mock both sides or to ignore the event altogether. Perhaps the Auburn Young Americans for Liberty group chose the best course of action: hosting a concert elsewhere on campus to pull attention and attendance away from both groups of loud but empty-headed out-of-towners. Of the students who chose not to ignore the event, my favorite Auburn student response was a guy dressed as a carrot holding a sign that read, “I Don’t CARROT ALL About Your Outrage.”


    Trade schools and self-study offer better outcomes for many

    College dropouts are doing just fine, bucking the stereotype. Some determined young people are skipping college altogether to pursue their business ideas. Many are also choosing trade schools, which require less time and tuition money, but graduates end up with a specific set of skills. Trade school graduates leave school prepared for the industry they enter, where they can earn much higher wages than many four-year degree-holders.

    Young men in particular are leaving colleges in droves. Over the past decade, 30% of male freshmen dropped out before starting a second year. The journalists, psychologists, and sociologists who comment on this trend can’t figure out how to fit it into a narrative [emphasis mine]:

    “This is very concerning to me,” Hunter Reed said. Young men — like all students, she emphasized — need support from a variety of groups to thrive in higher education.“The most successful have a sense of place in college,” she said.Stark, 28, studied computer science for a year and a half before leaving Metro State University to study on his own.Now a software engineer for a music company in Denver, Stark also DJs at some of the area’s most notable nightclubs. “What I was getting in the classroom just didn’t jibe with me. I felt I could teach myself on the Internet,” he said.He worked a fast-food job and then took a corporate gig to support himself while he studied on his own. The alternative, he said, was to work four years to get a bachelor’s degree and then another year or two to earn a master’s degree, then “go to work for some huge company and go home at night and live my life with my family. And that just didn’t sound appealing to me at the time.”

    Notice the call for helping these poor young men “thrive in higher education” that precedes a small anecdote about one man who dropped out and ended up just fine. Later in the same article, the author says that young men shouldn’t assume they will do well if they drop out, but then equivocates by turning it into a gender wage-gap problem to explain how some men do seem to turn out fine after dropping out:

    Observers say many young men delude themselves into thinking they are one idea away from being the next Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. They think they can make a fortune without a college degree, said Riseman. “As a result, they enter college with little sense of purpose and end up failing out,” he said. “While these dropouts imagine they can succeed without a degree, successful start-ups are rare.”While young men without degrees, in general, land higher-paying jobs than their female peers, many of the top-paying jobs are in high-risk industries like oil and gas or manufacturing.

    Tuition is increasing, but future earnings are decreasing

    In another recent WSJ article, we see the financial consequences of these trends. While tuition keeps climbing across the country, the prospective earnings of graduates aren’t keeping up. There is a lot of variation across colleges and majors, but the overall trend is that the returns to a four-year degree are decreasing.

    Since students are just getting started in life, it means that they must borrow to pay for these expensive degrees that don’t guarantee higher earnings. Total student loans are at $1.3 trillion and climbing. These loans have no collateral and cannot be dissolved through bankruptcy.


    The New York Fed tracks the delinquency rate for different types of loans. As of the first quarter of 2017, total student loan debt was increasing the most and had the highest delinquency rate.

    These trends are unsustainable. The higher education system seems to be suffering from both economic and cultural issues, but these two types of problems often cause each other in a feedback loop. The ultimate cause for both of them is political.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richmondbread View Post
    I took a job at a warehouse, but I feel it's not for me. I come from the finest of families. I come from a long line of knights and cavaliers. I have a gift of song. I should be on the media or TV or something. I can't get those jobs now. This job seems it could be dangerous. I feel I am almost too old for it, it should be for naive 20 somethings who don't know what they are doing. I hope they don't work me too hard. Luckily the shifts aren't very long. I miss doing the cow at Chick Fil A. They shut it down because of the "pandemic".
    There are a handful of people who are lucky to have an 'in' through nepotism or other connections. The rest of us all have had to start at entry level jobs when we were young. The fact you avoided that reality until you were 41 does not make you exempt. We don't get the jobs we think we should be doing. We get the jobs people will pay us to do. The more we show up and prove our worthimes as an employee. The more options we are given for jobs we can be proud of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    IQ Will Put You In Your Place
    By Charles Murray

    From the Sunday Times, UK, May 25 1997.

    A longer version of this article appears in the summer issue of The Public Interest.



    Imagine several hundred families which face few of the usual problems that plague modern society. Unemployment is zero. Illegitimacy is zero. Divorce is rare and occurs only after the children's most formative years. Poverty is absent - indeed, none of the families is anywhere near the poverty level. Many are affluent and all have enough income to live in decent neighbourhoods with good schools and a low crime rate. If you have the good fortune to come from such a background, you will expect a bright future for your children. You will certainly have provided them with all the advantages society has to offer. But suppose we follow the children of these families into adulthood. How will they actually fare?
    A few years ago the late Richard Herrnstein and I published a controversial book about IQ, The Bell Curve, in which we said that much would depend on IQ. On average, the bright children from such families will do well in life - and the dull children will do poorly. Unemployment, poverty and illegitimacy will be almost as great among the children from even these fortunate families as they are in society at large - not quite as great, because a positive family background does have some good effect, but almost, because IQ is such an important factor.

    "Nonsense!" said the critics. "Have the good luck to be born to the privileged and the doors of life will open to you - including doors that will let you get a good score in an IQ test. Have the bad luck to be born to a single mother struggling on the dole and you will be held down in many ways - including your IQ test score." The Bell Curve's purported relationships between IQ and success are spurious, they insisted: nurture trumps nature; environment matters more than upbringing.

    An arcane debate about statistical methods ensued. Then several American academics began using a powerful, simple way of testing who was right: instead of comparing individual children from different households, they compared sibling pairs with different IQs. How would brothers and sisters who were nurtured by the same parents, grew up in the same household and lived in the same neighbourhood, but had markedly different IQs, get on in life?

    The research bears out what parents of children with unequal abilities already know - that try as they might to make Johnny as bright as Sarah, it is difficult, and even impossible, to close the gap between them.

    A very large database in the United States contains information about several thousand sibling pairs who have been followed since 1979. To make the analysis as unambiguous as possible, I have limited my sample to brothers and sisters whose parents are in the top 75 per cent of American earners, with a family income in 1978 averaging £40,000 (in today's money).

    Families living in poverty, or even close to it, have been excluded. The parents in my sample also stayed together for at least the first seven years of the younger sibling's life.

    Each pair consists of one sibling with an IQ in the normal range of 90-110 ,a range that includes 50% of the population. I will call this group the normals. The second sibling in each pair had an IQ either higher than 110, putting him in the top quartile of intelligence (the bright) or lower than 90, putting him in the bottom quartile (the dull). These constraints produced a sample of 710 pairs.

    How much difference did IQ make? Earned income is a good place to begin. In 1993, when we took our most recent look at them, members of the sample were aged 28-36. That year, the bright siblings earned almost double the average of the dull: £22,400 compared to £11,800. The normals were in the middle, averaging £16,800.

    These differences are sizeable in themselves. They translate into even more drastic differences at the extremes. Suppose we take a salary of £50,000 or more as a sign that someone is an economic success. A bright sibling was six-and-a-half times more likely to have reached that level than one of the dull. Or we may turn to the other extreme, poverty: the dull sibling was five times more likely to fall below the American poverty line than one of the bright. Equality of opportunity did not result in anything like equality of outcome. Another poverty statistic should also give egalitarians food for thought: despite being blessed by an abundance of opportunity, 16.3% of the dull siblings were below the poverty line in 1993. This was slightly higher than America's national poverty rate of 15.1%.

    Opportunity, clearly, isn't everything. In modern America, and also, I suspect, in modern Britain, it is better to be born smart and poor than rich and stupid. Another way of making this point is to look at education. It is often taken for granted that parents with money can make sure their children get a college education. The young people in our selected sample came from families that were overwhelmingly likely to support college enthusiastically and have the financial means to help. Yet while 56% of the bright obtained university degrees, this was achieved by only 21% of the normals and a minuscule 2% of the dulls. Parents will have been uniformly supportive, but children are not uniformly able.

    The higher prevalence of college degrees partly explains why the bright siblings made so much more money, but education is only part of the story. Even when the analysis is restricted to siblings who left school without going to college, the brights ended up in the more lucrative occupations that do not require a degree, becoming technicians, skilled craftsmen, or starting their own small businesses. The dull siblings were concentrated in menial jobs.

    The differences among the siblings go far beyond income. Marriage and children offer the most vivid example. Similar proportions of siblings married, whether normal, bright or dull - but the divorce rate was markedly higher among the dull than among the normal or bright, even after taking length of marriage into account. Demographers will find it gloomily interesting that the average age at which women had their first birth was almost four years younger for the dull siblings than for the bright ones, while the number of children born to dull women averaged 1.9, half a child more than for either the normal or the bright. Most striking of all were the different illegitimacy rates. Of all the first-born children of the normals, 21% were born out of wedlock , about a third lower than the figure for the United States as a whole, presumably reflecting the advantaged backgrounds from which the sibling sample was drawn. Their bright siblings were much lower still, with less than 10% of their babies born illegitimate. Meanwhile, 45% of the first-born of the dull siblings were born outside of marriage.

    The inequalities among siblings that I have described are from 1993 and are going to become much wider in the years ahead. The income trajectory for low-skill occupations usually peaks in a worker's twenties or thirties. The income trajectory for managers and professionals usually peaks in their fifties. The snapshot I have given you was taken for an age group of 28-36 when many of the brights are still near the bottom of a steep rise into wealth and almost all the dulls' incomes are stagnant or even falling. . . .

    The inequalities I have presented are the kind you are used to seeing in articles that compare inner-city children with suburban ones, black with white, children of single parents with those from intact families. Yet they refer to the children of a population more advantaged in jobs, income and marital stability than even the most starry-eyed social reformer can hope to achieve.

    You may be wondering whether the race, age or education of siblings affects my figures. More extended analyses exist, but the short answer is that the phenomena I have described survive such questions. Siblings who differ in IQ also differ widely in important social outcomes, no matter how anyone tries to explain away the results. Ambitious parents may be dismayed by this conclusion, but it is none the less true for all that.

    A final thought: I have outlined the inequalities that result from siblings with different IQs. Add in a few other personal qualities: industry, persistence, charm, and the differences among people will inevitably produce a society of high inequalities, no matter how level the playing field has been made. Indeed, the more level the playing field, and the less that accidents of birth enter into it, the more influence personal qualities will have. I make this point as an antidote to glib thinking on both sides of the Atlantic and from both sides of the political spectrum. Inequality is too often seen as something that results from defects in society that can be fixed by a more robust economy, more active social programmes, or better schools. It is just not so.

    The effects of inequality cannot be significantly reduced, let alone quelled, unless the government embarks on a compulsory redistribution of wealth that raises taxes astronomically and strictly controls personal enterprise. Some will call this social justice. Others will call it tyranny. I side with the latter, but whichever position one takes, it is time to stop pretending that, without such massive compulsion, human beings in a fair and prosperous society will ever be much more equal than they are now.
    There is some truth to this, but there are many high IQ people who don't end up successful. Also autism spectrum disorder can complicate matters further. Someone who lacks social skills and the ability to be cunning and manipulative may find it hard to get ahead in the business world. Some also have different personalities not suited for high industry matters. Having HFA (high functioning autism) can actually be worse than being retarded. Mildly retarded people can make decent amount of money, it just takes harder work.

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    You are “too good” for a warehouse job because you should be doing “creative” work on tv/etc? Not so sure I jive with that thinking, bruh. Hope you’re just havin’ a little fun here...

    Quote Originally Posted by Richmondbread View Post
    I took a job at a warehouse, but I feel it's not for me. I come from the finest of families. I come from a long line of knights and cavaliers. I have a gift of song. I should be on the media or TV or something. I can't get those jobs now. This job seems it could be dangerous. I feel I am almost too old for it, it should be for naive 20 somethings who don't know what they are doing. I hope they don't work me too hard. Luckily the shifts aren't very long. I miss doing the cow at Chick Fil A. They shut it down because of the "pandemic".

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    Quote Originally Posted by BakersfieldChimp View Post
    There are a handful of people who are lucky to have an 'in' through nepotism or other connections. The rest of us all have had to start at entry level jobs when we were young. The fact you avoided that reality until you were 41 does not make you exempt. We don't get the jobs we think we should be doing. We get the jobs people will pay us to do. The more we show up and prove our worthimes as an employee. The more options we are given for jobs we can be proud of.

    I never avoided reality. I took low end jobs before. I worked in a smoothie shop, as a delivery driver for a florist, and other part time jobs. I have written over 300 songs and my life is all about art and music. Sorry if I don't prefer to be a drone like yourself. Would you like a cookie?

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