Greek regional Eurogenes k13 averages

[vbnetkhio]

They are from an article, besides no further information is stated we had commented the tag NE as Northeastern in the past. This later confirmed with arriving of Thracian Greek samples from Plovdiv in another article, they also have had very similar results to the GreeceNE in terms of averages even though they are not homogenous.

Thracian Greeks as a whole seem to be a mixed community that absorbed Bulgarian-like individuals into their community as well as recently(100-150 years?) arrived colonizers from Southern Greece and Islands. The median group which is also reflected in terms of averages seems to be mixes of Southern Greeks and Bulgarians with a slight shift to Anatolians. In this sense, it is not wrong to say the Greek ethnic group in Thrace was a melting pot that includes individuals from different genetic backgrounds rather than an organic group. Eventually, the average made there comes closer to Thessalians, for example, but that's a coincidence. And in your mother's case, the individual might have originated from somewhere else in Greece.

But did you notice that they are labeled as Central Macedonian Greeks in G25? I guess Davidski got the info from the authors.
Their results agree with this too. The Thracian Greek results you posted are more West Asian shifted, and these "NE" samples are even less West Asian than some Macedonian Greek samples. This was bothering me for a while.

I would recalcuate the averages, unless you disagree.

[Kaspias]

But did you notice that they are labeled as Central Macedonian Greeks in G25? I guess Davidski got the info from the authors.
Their results agree with this too. The Thracian Greek results you posted are more West Asian shifted, and these "NE" samples are even less West Asian than some Macedonian Greek samples. This was bothering me for a while.

I would recalcuate the averages, unless you disagree.

It was some members from Anthrogenica who asked Davidski to relabel samples according to where they plot. These GreeceNE samples distributed to all over Greek components in G25, from Peloponnese to Macedonia. Many Balkan Turks who are mixed with autochthon Greeks of Thrace models better with Peloponnese samples in G25, for example.

I think too, it is more healthy if we find actual Greeks from the region.

[vbnetkhio]

It was some members from Anthrogenica who asked Davidski to relabel samples according to where they plot. These GreeceNE samples distributed to all over Greek components in G25, from Peloponnese to Macedonia. Many Balkan Turks who are mixed with autochthon Greeks of Thrace models better with Peloponnese samples in G25, for example.

I think too, it is more healthy if we find actual Greeks from the region.

here's one for the collection

user bigsnake94 from Eupedia
My folks migrated to the Western Thrace region from the Eastern Thrace region of Turkey during the Great Population Exchange of 1922. They only moved about 15 km to the other side of the Evros/Maritsa River.
Population
North_Atlantic 19.45
Baltic 19.80
West_Med 19.27
West_Asian 15.01
East_Med 22.41
Red_Sea 0.88
South_Asian 0.67
East_Asian 0.51
Siberian 0.33
Amerindian 0.28
Oceanian 0.28
Northeast_African 0.54
Sub-Saharan 0.57

[vbnetkhio]

It was some members from Anthrogenica who asked Davidski to relabel samples according to where they plot. These GreeceNE samples distributed to all over Greek components in G25, from Peloponnese to Macedonia. Many Balkan Turks who are mixed with autochthon Greeks of Thrace models better with Peloponnese samples in G25, for example.

I think too, it is more healthy if we find actual Greeks from the region.

I noticed something interesting:



Both East Rumelia and Greek_NE have samples which are outlying from Macedonian Greeks. One group because of too much East med and West asian, and the other because of too much Baltic.
Macedonian Greeks are from 2 separate academic sets, both from Thessaloniki probably.

[Kaspias]

I noticed something interesting:



Both East Rumelia and Greek_NE have samples which are outlying from Macedonian Greeks. One group because of too much East med and West asian, and the other because of too much Baltic.
Macedonian Greeks are from 2 separate academic sets, both from Thessaloniki probably.

I also rechecked both samples and the article, could not find further information in the supplementary. However, since all Greek samples labeled according to regions, NE being Northeastern is very likely.

To me they seem to be how they should be, the GreeceNE samples plotted downwards might be Eastern Thracians while the ones in the upwards are Bulgarian-like individuals. I run these in Dodecad K12b, if you don't mind, and posting all stuff so you can evaluate, too.

[vbnetkhio]

I also rechecked both samples and the article, could not find further information in the supplementary. However, since all Greek samples labeled according to regions, NE being Northeastern is very likely.

To me they seem to be how they should be, the GreeceNE samples plotted downwards might be Eastern Thracians while the ones in the upwards are Bulgarian-like individuals. I run these in Dodecad K12b, if you don't mind, and posting all stuff so you can evaluate, too.

these GreeceMaced are much more Slavic than the Thessaloniki samples.

GreeceMaced2,19.34,24.91,17.65,13.91,20.42,1.85,0,0.01,1.68,0.03,0,0.01,0.19
GreeceMaced3,21.57,19.62,17.77,14.14,22.53,2.52,0.13,0.28,1.25,0.01,0.19,0,0
GreeceMaced4,16.45,24.84,19.74,10.52,25.15,1.99,1.1,0.08,0.01,0,0.13,0,0
GreeceMaced8,20.94,22.28,20.07,12.01,20.41,0.57,1.03,0.97,0.93,0.03,0.74,0,0.01
average,19.575,22.9125,18.8075,12.645,22.1275,1.7325,0.565,0.335,0.9675,0.0175,0.265,0.0025,0.05

Do you think these could be native Greeks from Florina or Serres?
I didn't include them in the average because they are otliers from other Macedonian Greeks and they could in fact be Macedonians or Bulgarians.

[Kaspias]

these GreeceMaced are much more Slavic than the Thessaloniki samples.

GreeceMaced2,19.34,24.91,17.65,13.91,20.42,1.85,0,0.01,1.68,0.03,0,0.01,0.19
GreeceMaced3,21.57,19.62,17.77,14.14,22.53,2.52,0.13,0.28,1.25,0.01,0.19,0,0
GreeceMaced4,16.45,24.84,19.74,10.52,25.15,1.99,1.1,0.08,0.01,0,0.13,0,0
GreeceMaced8,20.94,22.28,20.07,12.01,20.41,0.57,1.03,0.97,0.93,0.03,0.74,0,0.01
average,19.575,22.9125,18.8075,12.645,22.1275,1.7325,0.565,0.335,0.9675,0.0175,0.265,0.0025,0.05

Do you think these could be native Greeks from Florina or Serres?
I didn't include them in the average because they could actually be Macedonians or Bulgarians.

Greeks I have seen who self-reported their ancestry from Mountainous parts of Macedonia were more like GreeceMaced rather than Thessaloniki ones. This made me think that Thessaloniki ones actually could be from Greeks from Chalkidiki. So my vote would be to add both under separate labels as it is now.

See that map, which I believe very accurate, and you will understand the point.

[vbnetkhio]

Greeks I have seen who self-reported their ancestry from Mountainous parts of Macedonia were more like GreeceMaced rather than Thessaloniki ones.

could you post some of these results?

[catgeorge]

Greeks I have seen who self-reported their ancestry from Mountainous parts of Macedonia were more like GreeceMaced rather than Thessaloniki ones. This made me think that Thessaloniki ones actually could be from Greeks from Chalkidiki. So my vote would be to add both under separate labels as it is now.

See that map, which I believe very accurate, and you will understand the point.

Typical ridiculous Turk posting propaganda maps that has absolute no relevance to facts.

[GalenStark]

There is a Turk from Chalkidiki who's family were sent to Turkey with the population exchange who was added to yfull under basal R-M458*. Pretty interesting. His ancestor is likely a local Balkan assimilee/convert. However, he claims the ancestor arrived to Greece with the Ottomans.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-M458*/