Greeks vs Croats who is more Balkan?

[Ülev]

There was always something fishy about them Scots

shieet, stupid association after 4 beers, in Russian Scot (скот ) means cattle, Vlachs and cattle - one family, and now these bagpipes ....no more beers

[frankhammer]

shieet, stupid association after 4 beers, in Russian Scot (скот ) means cattle, Vlachs and cattle - one family, and now these bagpipes ....no more beers

[Insuperable]

I wonder what exactly is Balkan for them? Something bad?

Balkans is usually associated with Ottomans, Muslims, misery and wars so people try to dissociate themselves from it. It is understandable to a degree. Would there be no Muslims and would Balkans countries hypothetically be world powers than the same people who put so much effort into dissecting every thing with a goal to show why they are not Balkans would desperately try to associate with it.

[pulstar]

In general one similarity exists between Croats and Greeks.

Both hate being called Balkan.

I wonder what exactly is Balkan for them? Something bad?

A place in Eastern Europe where paradox is norm (more often then elsewhere in that region of Europe). Perhaps that's why.

[brennus dux gallorum]

A place in Eastern Europe where paradox is norm (more often then elsewhere in that region of Europe). Perhaps that's why.

And simply because Greeks do not feel close to Balkan social norms today, just like they dont feel close to North Europeans etc.

And its not coincidence that in another thread asking the same thing, most of foreigners said that Greeks who live in their own countries are distinguished by people from Balkans, without that meaning anything bad about the latter (among them a Norwegian person who said this was insulted by stearsolina)

Even in this poll, people from western Europe and the new world havent voted for Greece, which is what matters as they will rarely troll

[Tauromachos]

....
And its not coincidence that in another thread asking the same thing, most of foreigners said that Greeks who live in their own countries are distinguished by people from Balkans, without that meaning anything bad about the latter (among them a Norwegian person who said this was insulted by stearsolina)

Where did this happen?

I want to see it

[brennus dux gallorum]

Where did this happen?

I want to see it

Geographically Yes. Otherwise I'd say they are rather unique in terms of culture, history and present language. They seem to be much more westernized in thinking compared to their Balkan neighbors. Greeks who live here are have a quite different reputation compared to the Albanians, Yugos and Romanians. If I'd categorize them it would be strictly Mediterranean along with the other old school Meds like Portuguese, Spanish and Italians.

And then fiechy being like:

Cut the crap. There are no "Yugos" whatsoever.
I am sure Greeks are much more westernized than Slovenians buhuhu.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Country/page8

And thats what stupid fyromians are usually unable to understand: Greece is a country with vastly different geography and history than this isolated sithole that they call "motherland", and thus its NORMAL that we will vastly differ from people of Balkans, either we are talking about trash like fyrom or normal-but still slavic, continental and completely non-mesiterranean Balkan countries like Bulgaria or serbia

A Bulgarian (ioan assen) who just happened to visit Greece says one page ago:

The south of Greece and the islands show huge Italian (to be precise Venetian) influence and in consequence: a lot of catholic influence in architecture, the buildings of the city etc. A lot from medieval period has been retained (Crete, Rhodes, Kos etc.

Greece is far from being even slightly similar to fyrom and trash north-west of it:


Though still closer to normal non-trash Balkan countries, like Bulgaria

In fyrom there hardly was any statue before 1900

[Tauromachos]

He is absolutely right this is how Diaspora Greeks are seen in most countries

The Balkan label for Greeks is realy something new

Greece as a country is sometimes counted as part of the Balkans and sometimes not
its optional but not strict

Greeks call themselves sometimes as Balkanians but we have no strict notion about being Balkan and to most
Greeks it doesn't matter the most if Balkan or not.

As foreigners in other countries Greeks are mostly not seen as Balkanians.