Migrations of Balkan Muslim to Turkey through history

[Varda]

https://ankasam.org/en/a-historical-...ons-to-turkey/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallipoli_Serbs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgrad_Forest

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhacir

In Turkey there are millions of descendants of Balkan Muslim settlers. Their ancestors were assimilated fast when theay came to Turkey.
Because of Balkanite settlers Turks have European genetic influence (it's the strongest in East Thrace where islamized Balkanites settled in largest number, and falls toward the east).

[Bosniensis]

There were probably 1 mil. Bosniaks even before Turks in Anatolia.

Now there are up to 4 mil Bosniaks in Marmara region and western Turkey.

Twice more than Bosnia.

[Varda]

There were probably 1 mil. Bosniaks even before Turks in Anatolia.

Now there are up to 4 mil Bosniaks in Marmara region and western Turkey.

Twice more than Bosnia.

According to some Serbian historians, there is several millions people in Turkey with Serbian roots. Not Deretić, he exaggerates with 10 million people in Turkey who has Serbian origin.

[Noble Cuman]

I am aware of my ancestry and my ancestors were aware too. They are in here since 1870s. Though there are some people who get assimilate. If you ask them where are they from they would just say the region that they are living. Some of them do not know their ancestry. I have friends that learned they have origins from Balkans later in their lives.

[Kaspias]

According to some Serbian historians, there is several millions people in Turkey with Serbian roots. Not Deretić, he exaggerates with 10 million people in Turkey who has Serbian origin.

This is not true.

There are 500.000 people at maximum who have Serbian origin, which is mostly consisted of Sandzak Muslims.


On the other hand, it is safe to say 9-10m of refugees were ethnic Turks, while 6-7m were Islamized Balkanians.

[Varda]

This is not true.

There are 500.000 people at maximum who have Serbian origin, which is mostly consisted of Sandzak Muslims.


On the other hand, it is safe to say 9-10m of refugees were ethnic Turks, while 6-7m were Islamized Balkanians.

Balkan Turks is just Turkish umbrella for islamized Balkanites for the easir assimilation, or they are real ethnic Turkish historical diaspora?
In Ottoman time vast majority of Muslim people in the Balkan (without East Thrace and Isranbul) were islamized locals who did not know Turkish language. In N. Macedonia some real Turks settled from Konya in 18th century, but still most of Muslims are/were other people (Albanians and Torbeshi).
Turks of Bulgaria are descendants of Turkish settlers from Anatolia, turkified Pomaks, or mix of both?

[Varda]

On the radio of Serbian national TV there is a program for diaspora. Few times guest was man from Istanbul whose family arrived there after WW2 from Rožaje (NE Montenegro). He speak Serbian language without foreign accent. He said in some part of Istanbul Muslims of Serbian origin (mostly from Sandžak) are numerous, they came there in 1920s and in communist period.
He also said that they want stronger connecting with Serbia, and eventual investing in Serbia.

[Kaspias]

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Balkan Turks is just Turkish umbrella for islamized Balkanites for the easir assimilation, or they are real ethnic Turkish historical diaspora?

Balkan Turks are ethnic Turks as much as Anatolian Turks. The differentiating factor here is they are lacking Anatolian admixture which makes them model like Balkan + Central Asian. Although they actually got the Anatolian input with the Celali Rebellions that happened after the 1600s, this admixture seems to absorbed among Balkan and Central Asian admixtures.

In Ottoman time vast majority of Muslim people in the Balkan (without East Thrace and Isranbul) were islamized locals who did not know Turkish language. In N. Macedonia some real Turks settled from Konya in 18th century, but still most of Muslims are/were other people (Albanians and Torbeshi).

Thrace as a whole, Eastern Bulgaria, Eastern Macedonia had an undisputed Turkish majority. In addition, Central Macedonia, Northern Macedonia, Western Bulgaria, Western Macedonia, and Kosovo had ethnic Turk settlement as well. There were no Turks in Western Balkans, and Muslims were just locals.

That "migration from Konya" thing just represents one wave of migration. There were dozens of waves.

Turks of Bulgaria are descendants of Turkish settlers from Anatolia, turkified Pomaks, or mix of both?

Turks of Bulgaria descends from nomadic Yoruks that originated from early Beyliks, Tatars, and later Anatolian Turks/various Turkish speakers such as Turkmen and Azerbaijani following the Celali Rebellions. These people mixed with local Balkanians formed the Balkan Turk ethnicity.

Pomaks considered a separate ethnicity than Balkan Turks.

[Varda]

Balkan Turks are ethnic Turks as much as Anatolian Turks. The differentiating factor here is they are lacking Anatolian admixture which makes them model like Balkan + Central Asian. Although they actually got the Anatolian input with the Celali Rebellions that happened after the 1600s, this admixture seems to absorbed among Balkan and Central Asian admixtures.



Thrace as a whole, Eastern Bulgaria, Eastern Macedonia had an undisputed Turkish majority. In addition, Central Macedonia, Northern Macedonia, Western Bulgaria, Western Macedonia, and Kosovo had ethnic Turk settlement as well. There were no Turks in Western Balkans, and Muslims were just locals.

That "migration from Konya" thing just represents one wave of migration. There were dozens of waves.



Turks of Bulgaria descends from nomadic Yoruks that originated from early Beyliks, Tatars, and later Anatolian Turks/various Turkish speakers such as Turkmen and Azerbaijani following the Celali Rebellions. These people mixed with local Balkanians formed the Balkan Turk ethnicity.

Pomaks considered a separate ethnicity than Balkan Turks.

Turks from village near Štip in N. Macedonia. Pay attantion on their appearance, they look different from other people from N. Macedonia but also than Anatolian Turks.

[Noble Cuman]

Turks from village near Štip in N. Macedonia. Pay attantion on their appearance, they look different from other people from N. Macedonia but also than Anatolian Turks.

Actually the girl look like Burcu Biricik who said to be Yörük from Antalya. They have native admixture for sure though.