Viking Age samples GEDmatch results

**Aren** · 09-20-2020, 06:09 PM

Why don't you post their numbers? And also other calculators. They seem very close to modern Norwegians.

**Peterski** · 09-20-2020, 06:45 PM

^^^
This is their Eurogenes K13:

Code:

VK390,49.72,32.58,7.33,4.81,0,0,1.09,0,0.56,1.82,0.39,0,1.7
VK391,47.62,35.01,8.28,6.2,0,0,0,0,0.71,0,0.43,0.88,0.85
VK418,51.55,29.78,6.9,4.6,0,1.25,2.83,0,1.57,0,0.43,0.55,0.54
VK523,44.91,35.66,8.55,5.51,0,0.04,0.6,0.02,0.83,1.15,0.89,1.84,0

Distance to: VK523
3.71927412 Sweden_Svealand_East
5.44699917 North-Swedish
7.04528921 Swedish
7.63917535 Sweden_Svealand_West
9.05562808 Sweden_Götaland

Distance to: VK391
3.53677819 Sweden_Svealand_East
5.94699924 Sweden_Svealand_West
5.94978151 Swedish
6.47993827 North-Swedish
7.21577439 Sweden_Götaland

Distance to: VK390
4.09480158 Sweden_Svealand_West
4.57488798 Sweden_Svealand_East
4.72045549 Swedish
5.07954722 Sweden_Götaland
5.20017307 Norway_South_Central

Distance to: VK418
4.22085299 Norway_South_Central
4.35456083 Sweden_Götaland
4.36531786 Sweden_Svealand_West
4.84321174 Norwegian
4.84927830 Denmark

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And their Eurogenes K15:

Code:

VK390,45.26,20.12,12.15,12.67,4.57,1.31,0,0,0.78,0,0.05,1.58,0.19,0,1.31
VK391,40.59,24.03,14.48,13.39,3.78,2.27,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.51,0.96
VK418,35.47,29.72,15.25,9.37,2.55,3.26,0,0.16,2.46,0,0.84,0,0.2,0,0.73
VK523,34.17,23.58,16.7,16.91,3.84,1.49,0,0,0.41,0,0,0.82,0.65,1.44,0

Distance to: VK391
3.95272058 Swedish
4.01108464 Norwegian
4.81166291 West_Norwegian
6.26365708 North_Swedish
7.46727527 North_Dutch

Distance to: VK523
4.88677808 North_Swedish
7.69427060 Southwest_Finnish
8.40276145 Swedish
9.06961962 Norwegian
10.13779069 Danish

Distance to: VK418
6.27692600 Danish
6.43605469 North_German
6.82130486 North_Dutch
6.82926790 Irish
7.21025658 West_Scottish

Distance to: VK390
5.99337134 West_Norwegian
7.19465079 Norwegian
7.84678278 Swedish
10.18682482 North_Swedish
11.67334571 North_Dutch

**Peterski** · 09-20-2020, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Lucas

(...) from this dataset https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sg0...ew?usp=sharing
although probably it was done in BAK and is quite noisy.

So far only those

VK11
VK14
VK15
VK16
VK17
VK18
VK19
VK20
VK21
VK22
VK164
VK165
VK166
VK168
VK170
VK171
VK172
VK173
VK174
VK175
VK176
VK177
VK178
VK179
VK180
VK182
VK183
VK184
VK185
VK186
VK187
VK189
VK190
VK191
VK193
VK196
VK200
VK201
VK202
VK203
VK204
VK205
VK206
VK207
VK208
VK210
VK211
VK212
VK213
VK214
VK215
VK216
VK217
VK218
VK219

^^^
I downloaded them and checked them in two calculators:

Eurogenes K13 (but was that conversion done using BAK ??? - if it was done using BAK, the results might be inaccurate):

Code:

VK11.final.bam.txt,30.12,28.91,5.04,9.36,0.7,5.94,6.99,8.88,1.01,2.71,0.33,0,0
VK14.final.bam.txt,42.73,20.65,8.72,3.42,0.17,0.55,7.9,2.59,6.09,5.06,0,2.11,0
VK15.final.bam.txt,36.03,21.87,9.71,6.9,2.77,2.32,4.14,5.88,3.57,2.41,3.42,0.98,0
VK16.final.bam.txt,30.33,20.68,7.88,3.67,9.02,4.37,6.88,8.32,4.25,3.28,1.32,0,0
VK164.final.bam.txt,0,44.68,1.12,1.2,0,11.09,0,20.34,0,13.75,0,0,7.81
VK165.final.bam.txt,39.85,21.72,6.33,6.49,0,1.62,5.12,6.45,5.76,2.66,2.49,1.51,0
VK166.final.bam.txt,32.66,18.93,9.38,5.73,4.98,2.63,4.52,9.31,2.18,1.41,2.22,5.54,0.51
VK168.final.bam.txt,38.22,23.54,8.77,3.38,0.77,2.17,7.05,6.72,4.54,1.73,1.19,1.91,0
VK17.final.bam.txt,31.49,41.29,2.89,0.6,3.61,0.33,3.84,3.47,8.43,1.09,1.79,1.17,0
VK170.final.bam.txt,34.89,26.01,7.67,4.9,0,0.71,7.17,5.76,5.2,3.78,1.63,2.27,0
VK171.final.bam.txt,31.69,22.92,9.52,17.46,0,0,2.64,9.91,2.41,1.56,1.89,0,0
VK172.final.bam.txt,38.03,26.85,4.07,3.4,5.13,0,7.42,5.39,3.76,2.45,1.75,1.75,0
VK173.final.bam.txt,38.22,20.38,8.89,4.91,2.42,3.83,5.67,7.03,4.04,1.91,1.03,1.68,0
VK174.final.bam.txt,36.57,23.67,6.67,8.74,0,1.86,6.71,6.37,4.9,1.58,2.39,0.52,0
VK175.final.bam.txt,33.66,35.12,2.8,4.47,3.51,0.31,2.84,4.54,5.83,2.65,1.92,2.37,0
VK176.final.bam.txt,35.63,24.55,4.92,5.39,0,3.94,6.14,5.53,4.1,2.76,1.72,4.85,0.48
VK177.final.bam.txt,32.84,18.32,14.6,9.93,1.81,0.83,4.87,6.69,4.88,1.11,2.28,1.84,0
VK178.final.bam.txt,36.77,20.12,9.67,4.78,3.09,3.43,6.88,6.11,1.62,4.69,1.47,1.36,0
VK179.final.bam.txt,38.57,21.84,7.02,7,0,1.01,6.75,5.73,5.33,1.67,1.83,3.24,0
VK18.final.bam.txt,30.18,34.56,4.22,4.22,1.69,0.09,5.59,5.36,7.59,2.29,2.86,1.34,0
VK180.final.bam.txt,39.85,0,22.06,0,0,0,19.32,3.85,2.21,12.71,0,0,0
VK182.final.bam.txt,22.53,27.37,0,15.44,16.52,0,9.27,3.61,0,0.71,3.69,0.87,0
VK183.final.bam.txt,42.22,22.93,5.43,6.84,0,4.36,4.41,5.19,4.57,2.66,1.38,0,0
VK184.final.bam.txt,34.92,23.77,7.42,8.84,0.24,1.3,5.13,6.06,5.26,2.41,2.23,2.43,0
VK186.final.bam.txt,40.19,23.76,7.15,6.02,1.05,2.78,5,4.8,4.56,1.67,2.76,0.25,0
VK187.final.bam.txt,35.9,20.93,9.85,3.32,7.27,0.88,3.77,6.06,6.51,1.54,2.3,1.69,0
VK189.final.bam.txt,34.77,28.44,1.83,4.66,1.58,1.86,10.33,1.93,6.07,2.1,6.44,0,0
VK19.final.bam.txt,23.26,34.28,6.36,7.12,5.57,2.14,2.37,6.9,5.84,3.06,2.12,0.97,0
VK190.final.bam.txt,35.4,19.8,6.79,8,2.63,1.14,6.86,5.5,3.35,2.41,1.44,4.72,1.96
VK191.final.bam.txt,25.22,34.08,13.36,0,0,0,15.31,1,0,8.85,2.18,0,0
VK193.final.bam.txt,33.93,12.03,16.63,10.62,8.39,5.24,0,4.51,4.73,3.21,0.71,0,0
VK196.final.bam.txt,22.5,30.32,10.9,6.23,0,0,10.47,7.78,11.01,0,0.8,0,0
VK20.final.bam.txt,41.02,25.43,6.14,3.65,0,1.06,3.46,3.65,6.86,4.58,4.15,0,0
VK200.final.bam.txt,8.1,28.49,0,0,16.41,16.73,0.14,12.09,0,18.04,0,0,0
VK201.final.bam.txt,42.92,16.87,9.54,8.42,0.3,3.16,5.21,6.1,2.21,1.68,2.19,1.37,0
VK202.final.bam.txt,40.4,17.01,9.6,6.51,1.18,2.69,7.63,4.13,2.05,4.88,2.36,1.57,0
VK203.final.bam.txt,38.05,20.42,9.06,9.09,0,2.61,7.33,4.19,4.46,1.14,2.19,1.46,0
VK204.final.bam.txt,41.4,21.53,6.05,10.21,1.26,1.62,2.35,8.05,3.63,1.41,2.4,0.09,0
VK205.final.bam.txt,38.38,19.65,5.59,7.3,6.6,2.92,5.14,3.58,5.55,2.75,1.59,0.96,0
VK206.final.bam.txt,14.54,46.95,0,0,12.13,0.67,0,0,23.37,2.19,0.16,0,0
VK207.final.bam.txt,38.22,19.83,11.06,7.33,3.3,1.55,4.18,5.58,4.65,1.54,2.35,0.42,0
VK208.final.bam.txt,48.7,7.68,7.73,17.24,0,0,5.86,4.19,0,4.15,2.25,2.2,0
VK21.final.bam.txt,25.8,39.94,1.01,5.58,0.76,2.71,0.96,7.45,9.11,3.82,2.68,0.18,0
VK210.final.bam.txt,18.83,39.73,13.94,6.09,0.89,0,4.36,5.54,4.53,4.91,1.2,0,0
VK211.final.bam.txt,29.26,20.76,16.51,1.95,11.64,4.39,3.58,7.27,1.66,2.95,0.05,0,0
VK212.final.bam.txt,19.18,46.65,3.58,4.31,4.92,1.66,5.67,3.61,6.46,0.76,2.16,1.02,0
VK213.final.bam.txt,45.21,21.43,8.23,2.16,3.58,0.88,5.24,0.79,10.53,1.17,0.79,0,0
VK214.final.bam.txt,45.5,25.04,0.13,2.79,0,0,8.45,4.79,6.52,2.65,4.13,0,0
VK215.final.bam.txt,38.84,38.02,3.68,0,0,0,1.71,5.53,2.73,3.38,6.13,0,0
VK216.final.bam.txt,20.15,41.72,0,2.37,0,4.18,8.28,16.25,0.94,1.06,5.05,0,0
VK217.final.bam.txt,27.6,29.57,3.35,8.7,6.25,0,9.17,4.35,2.5,4.89,3.62,0,0
VK218.final.bam.txt,36.16,18.16,8.3,7.79,7.05,3.47,4.11,5.67,4.5,2.08,1.32,1.38,0
VK219.final.bam.txt,31.13,27.35,6.1,4.24,4.13,3.24,7.33,6.56,4.03,2.12,1.26,2.51,0
VK22.final.bam.txt,42.71,22.7,3.1,10.67,0.7,0,5.46,3.93,7.68,0.62,2.43,0,0

Eurogenes K15:

Code:

VK11.final.bam.txt,35.64,9.74,11.61,10.03,3.1,7.29,0,5.11,6.11,7.93,0.83,2.35,0.25,0,0
VK14.final.bam.txt,43.55,10.97,7.33,7.64,8.51,0,0,0,7.65,0.28,6.2,4.83,0,3.04,0
VK15.final.bam.txt,34.5,12.31,8.04,9.69,8.47,4.89,2.56,1.14,3.71,4.36,2.97,2.37,3.37,1.61,0
VK16.final.bam.txt,23.94,17.92,9.97,6.82,5.5,2.26,7.06,4.44,7.02,7.25,3.77,2.67,1.38,0,0
VK164.final.bam.txt,26.91,0,20.56,0,0,11.1,0,0,0,21.78,0,12.77,0,0,6.88
VK165.final.bam.txt,33.34,17.96,7.66,11.21,3.4,3.04,0,1.68,4.78,4.9,4.96,2.77,2.39,1.91,0
VK166.final.bam.txt,26.19,15.98,9.28,8.03,7.02,4.33,2.91,2.12,4.45,8.11,1.42,1.26,2.02,6.11,0.75
VK168.final.bam.txt,35.11,16.58,5.72,13.1,6.45,0.59,0,1.44,6.94,5.08,3.71,1.66,1.12,2.49,0
VK17.final.bam.txt,33.45,10.37,19.63,18.44,0.77,0,0,0.22,3.74,2.26,7.07,0.76,1.65,1.64,0
VK170.final.bam.txt,34.2,14.9,14.08,6,3.87,3.11,0,0.04,6.86,4.25,4.91,3.45,1.45,2.89,0
VK171.final.bam.txt,32.95,10.48,8.36,15.49,5.01,12.69,0,0,3.5,7.34,1.94,0.85,1.39,0,0
VK172.final.bam.txt,37.68,15.49,12.86,6.96,1.63,3.2,1.06,0,7.4,4.08,3.6,2.18,1.56,2.3,0
VK173.final.bam.txt,32.82,17.85,10.52,5.55,6.06,3.33,0,3.99,5.64,5.36,3.66,1.66,0.65,2.9,0
VK174.final.bam.txt,33.57,15.47,9.32,10.11,3.96,5.99,0,1.34,6.37,4.63,4.56,1.22,2.35,1.1,0
VK175.final.bam.txt,34.93,11.37,17.21,15.3,0,1.03,2.88,0.04,2.45,3.15,4.9,2.39,1.82,2.54,0
VK176.final.bam.txt,31.3,16.33,9.79,10.7,2.5,2.51,0,3.47,6.02,3.99,3.47,2.51,1.43,5.04,0.94
VK177.final.bam.txt,28.97,13.28,8.55,7.21,11.61,9.77,0.6,0,5.16,4.53,4.4,1.24,2.1,2.57,0
VK178.final.bam.txt,30.13,19.41,7.16,8.76,6.61,3.37,0.28,3.83,7.35,4.61,1.01,4.4,1.2,1.87,0
VK179.final.bam.txt,35.71,15.53,9.36,7.64,4.91,3.44,0,0.55,6.83,4.28,4.8,1.63,1.54,3.78,0
VK18.final.bam.txt,31.46,12.34,15.92,14.36,2,1,0,0,5.59,3.85,6.92,2.03,2.42,2.11,0
VK180.final.bam.txt,0,35.42,0,16.96,15.68,0,0,0,14.54,3.79,0.34,13.28,0,0,0
VK182.final.bam.txt,0,33.62,30.43,0,0,7.85,12.48,0,9.21,0.17,0,0.47,5.59,0.19,0
VK183.final.bam.txt,36.69,20.18,7.9,7.61,3.35,5.24,0,3.15,4.32,3.85,4.02,2.61,1.08,0,0
VK184.final.bam.txt,28.01,18.52,12.15,8.63,2.89,7.09,0,1.1,5.19,4.54,4.56,2.49,2.08,2.75,0
VK186.final.bam.txt,34.42,18.88,12.35,8.12,3,3.86,0,2.62,4.79,3.22,3.86,1.7,2.58,0.6,0
VK187.final.bam.txt,27.75,20.3,12.47,4.77,5.68,3.48,4.48,0.45,3.81,4.84,6.19,1.28,2.09,2.4,0
VK189.final.bam.txt,26.29,14.9,17.32,9.08,0,8.15,0,1.6,8.36,0,5.84,0.79,5.97,1.68,0
VK19.final.bam.txt,17.41,14.47,18.29,17.23,3.49,5.66,3.05,2.01,1.99,5.33,4.67,2.77,1.95,1.69,0
VK190.final.bam.txt,25.54,20.44,10.24,7.56,3.49,6.57,0.08,1.16,7.11,3.87,2.8,2.39,1.22,5.45,2.08
VK191.final.bam.txt,29.69,10.62,27.03,0,7.64,1.6,0,0,12.39,0,0,9.22,1.8,0,0
VK193.final.bam.txt,26.61,5.74,20.64,0,12.66,14.07,3.66,5.47,0,1.22,5.57,3.78,0.59,0,0
VK196.final.bam.txt,20.29,9.82,16.39,10.73,10.28,5.5,0,0,10.81,5.06,10.7,0,0.45,0,0
VK20.final.bam.txt,39.07,14.73,10.87,8.74,4.72,0.8,0,0.58,3.28,2.46,6.52,4.34,3.89,0,0
VK200.final.bam.txt,0,18.3,14.73,12.99,0,0,11.61,14.51,0,10.84,0,17.02,0,0,0
VK201.final.bam.txt,31.81,24.1,5.38,6.87,6.59,6.11,0,1.9,5.17,4.51,1.78,1.83,1.82,2.13,0
VK202.final.bam.txt,32.82,20.83,7.46,5.13,6.44,4.39,0.17,1.91,7.53,2.65,1.82,4.61,2.05,2.18,0
VK203.final.bam.txt,25.37,23.38,10.35,8.73,4.46,6.88,0,2.5,7.18,2.77,3.56,1.13,1.95,1.75,0
VK204.final.bam.txt,34.44,20.37,9.39,8.52,2.58,7.98,0,0.65,2.3,6.24,2.95,1.22,2.16,1.19,0
VK205.final.bam.txt,27.31,22.27,13.17,4.7,2.12,5.5,3.99,2.87,5.76,2.18,4.83,2.58,1.18,1.55,0
VK206.final.bam.txt,7,18.62,16.49,30.59,0,1.7,2.2,1.82,0,0,20.4,0.95,0.24,0,0
VK207.final.bam.txt,28.38,22.44,9.96,8.11,6.08,6.96,0,1.82,3.6,4.17,4.04,1.38,2.06,0.99,0
VK208.final.bam.txt,24.43,34.22,10.24,0,0.71,12.45,0,0,5.76,2.46,0,4.64,2.92,2.17,0
VK21.final.bam.txt,31.51,1.25,18.8,20.51,1.37,2.31,0,2.73,0.74,5.53,8.16,3.58,2.21,1.3,0
VK210.final.bam.txt,13.86,11.24,31.13,13.92,5.48,8.84,0,0,1.73,5.76,2.43,4.68,0.94,0,0
VK211.final.bam.txt,12.63,21.71,13.4,9.72,12.72,8.37,4.44,4.89,1.94,6.67,1.3,2.21,0,0,0
VK212.final.bam.txt,10.64,11.3,36.44,18.5,0,1.37,4.18,0.52,5.97,2.26,4.99,0.48,1.94,1.4,0
VK213.final.bam.txt,33.94,24.28,11.33,5.51,6.77,3.17,0,0,3.65,0,9.72,1.25,0.38,0,0
VK214.final.bam.txt,36.21,19.24,12.48,8.22,0,0,0,0,7.93,3.52,6.07,2.65,3.69,0,0
VK215.final.bam.txt,38.65,12.6,25.58,7.41,0,0,0,0,1,1.72,3.56,3.71,5.75,0,0
VK216.final.bam.txt,33.15,0,16.42,19.48,0,0,0,2.19,8.81,14.61,0,0.96,4.39,0,0
VK217.final.bam.txt,25.31,14.46,8.32,19.42,3.07,5.84,2.43,0,10.34,2.4,1.07,4.57,2.77,0,0
VK218.final.bam.txt,26.76,20.25,10.04,6.16,4.47,5.38,5.98,3.52,4.17,3.95,3.86,2.2,1.08,2.16,0
VK219.final.bam.txt,27.28,14.77,15.92,8.69,3.72,2.63,1.63,3.07,7.75,4.84,3.55,1.79,1.11,3.26,0
VK22.final.bam.txt,39.28,18.94,10.6,3.37,0,8.22,0,0,5.93,3.09,6.75,1.09,2.73,0,0

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Yeah, just look at these huge distances. These are not good conversions.

**Leto** · 09-20-2020, 07:25 PM

Unless the data is broken as Peterski is suggesting, some of those supposed Vikings are more Eastern and more Mongoloid than modern Russians like my mother.

**Aren** · 09-20-2020, 07:33 PM

I read on anthrogenica that these BAM files produced really bad results. I think we need to wait for the authors to release the genotype data.
But my guess for now is that Norwegian IA had less Anatolian farmer than modern day Norwegians and contact with Danish and Swedish Iron Age shifted Norwegians to become more similar to modern day Danes and Swedes. Makes sense with the high Battle Axe R1a in Norway.

**Peterski** · 09-20-2020, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Aren

I read on anthrogenica that these BAM files produced really bad results.

It is because the person who did conversion did it wrongly. I'm obtaining good results from the same BAMs. But GEDmatch is causing issues with uploading.

Originally Posted by Aren

I think we need to wait for the authors to release the genotype data.

Yeah there are too many samples and it would take a long time even to download all of these BAMs.

**Aren** · 09-20-2020, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Peterski

It is because the person who did conversion did it wrongly. I'm obtaining good results from the same BAMs. But GEDmatch is causing issues with uploading.

Yeah there are too many samples and it would take a long time even to download all of these BAMs.

Ok so you're getting good SNP reads on Gedmatch? How many SNP:s used on Eurogenes K13? Above 50k I guess is decent.

**Lucas** · 09-21-2020, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Peterski

Ale napisałeś "16 chromosom leci, będzie za pół godziny" - to czegoś wolnego używasz.

Tak, używam ten inny program (robiłem nim Tollense dla Davidskiego) ale dla wikingów mi nie działał... Okazało się że skasowałem jakiś katalog przypadkowo

Już działa. Zaraz będa największe sample zrobione bo mój net ściąga z prędkością 5 MB na sekundę

Wkraczam do akcji.

**Lucas** · 09-21-2020, 02:15 PM

Vk139 Denmark Fyn island. Slavic haplo R-L1029

distances in k36

Distance to:
RU_Tula
RU_Voronezh
Belarus_West
RU_Smolensk
RU_Orel
Belarus_Polesye
RU_Central
RU_Yaroslavl
Lithuanian_southern_Aukstota
RU_Ryazan

ADC: 1x
61.8 RU_Tula
29.6 RU_Voronezh
8.6 Belarus_West

ADC: 0.5x
28.8 Belarus_West
20.0 PL_Central
19.2 RU_Yaroslavl
18.2 RU_Tula
11.2 RU_Voronezh
2.2 Belarus_East
0.4 Latvia_general

ADC: 0.25x
34.6 PL_Central
25.4 RU_Voronezh
13.2 RU_Novgorod
12.8 Latvia_general
10.4 Belarus_East
3.6 Belarus_West

34.8 PL_Central
30.6 RU_Voronezh
23.2 Latvia_general
7.0 Belarus_East
3.2 Inkeri_Finn
1.0 Moroccan_Berber_south
0.2 Esan_Nigeria