Southeast England was 80% replaced by Anglo-Saxons in the Early Middle Ages

[Grace O'Malley]

You are a bloody jock it is already proven scientifically that I am genetically within the acceptable English range on a PCA.. Everytime I talk to you I am reminded why I hate the Scots. My last name is the same as the English philosopher Edmund Burke and Norman last names are the highest class people in England daft bloody wanker. That is just one angle to look at my genetics with G25 genius as there are multiple views and angles available . There are no English genetics strictly speaking but range and various admixtures can fall within that range on a PCA. You don't fall within that range so you are a foreigner :

Edmund Burke is Irish and his mother was a Catholic from Co Cork. Also his family i.e. the Burke side have been in Ireland since the Normans. Are you now claiming all Irish with Norman surnames aren't Irish?

[Sheppey]

Edmund Burke is Irish and his mother was a Catholic from Co Cork.

He was Anglo-Irish and his religion was Anglican not Catholic.

Also his family i.e. the Burke side have been in Ireland since the Normans. Are you now claiming all Irish with Norman surnames aren't Irish?

Norman names are common so no it depends on the individual and an Englishman can have an Irish grandparent I guess :

Target: SuperLimey
Distance: 0.9398% / 0.00939833 | R4P | ADC: 0.5x RC
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Target: Netherlands_LIA
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[Grace O'Malley]

He was Anglo-Irish and his religion was Anglican not Catholic.




Norman names are common so no it depends on the individual and an Englishman can have an Irish grandparent I guess :

Target: SuperLimey
Distance: 0.9398% / 0.00939833 | R4P | ADC: 0.5x RC
33.8 Netherlands_LIA
28.8 Germany_Liebenau_Saxon_EMedieval
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He was Church of Ireland which doesn't mean he wasn't Irish and his mother was Catholic so why are you saying he is English? His father's family was in Ireland since the Normans which is no different than many other Irish families. The Burkes assimilated into Gaelic culture. Also his sister was a Catholic like her mother.

[Sheppey]

He was Church of Ireland which doesn't mean he wasn't Irish and his mother was Catholic so why are you saying he is English? His father's family was in Ireland since the Normans which is no different than many other Irish families. The Burkes assimilated into Gaelic culture. Also his sister was a Catholic like her mother.

Sorry, doll, but I am not sure you understand the finer points of the religious/ethnic caste system in Britain and Ireland being an Aussie. The Church of Ireland is Anglican which means he was not Irish which is pretty much synonymous with Catholic :

The composite Irishman, representing the mean of ten thousand of his countrymen, is 35 years old, 172 cm. tall, and weighs 157 pounds. He is well built, muscular, and large boned, with shoulders 39 cm. broad, and a trunk length which is 53.3 per cent of his total height. His arms are long, and his span is 105.3 per cent of his stature. So far, his bodily dimensions and proportions might be matched among western Norwegians, Icelanders, many Swedes, Livs, and Finns of Finland. His head is large, for Ireland has consistently the largest head size of any equal land area in Europe. The three principal vault dimensions of his head, 196 mm. by 154 mm. by 125 mm., give him the mesocephalic cephalic index of nearly 79, and the moderately hypsicephalic length-height index of 64. His cranial vault, like his body, could again be matched among the larger-headed peoples of Scandinavia and the Baltic lands.

Both his forehead and his lower jaw are unusually broad, with minimum frontal and bigonial diameters of over 109 mm.; this great facial breadth is furthermore expressed by a bizygomatic diameter og 141 mm. The face is long as well as broad, with a menton-nasion height of 127 mm., and an upper face height of 73 mm. The facial index of over 90 is leptoprosopic, while the upper facial index of less than 52 is mesene. The nasal dimensions of 56 mm. and 36 mm. indicate a large nose, with an only moderately leptorrhine nasal index of between 64 and 65.

Without further details, it is possible to state what, in a general sense, the metrical dimensions and proportions summarized above must mean. In stature and in sagittal dimensions of the head and face, the composite Irishman might well be considered a Nordic in the Iron Age sense, of the Hallstatt variety as represented by living inhabitants of eastern Norway, or even of the Keltic Iron Age variety as represented by abundant skeletal series from England. But in total bulk and in lateral diameters, he exceeds any known Nordic form, and in fact cannot be considered an unmixed descendant of the greater Mediterranean family of races. He is comparable in these respects to the western Norwegians, to the Livs, and to some of the Finns. In order to explain his metrical character, it is necessary to invoke the mass absorption by either Megalithic Atlanto-Mediterraneans, or Iron Age Nordics, or both, of an earlier Upper Palaeolithic strain, which entered Ireland in a Mesolithic cultural condition. The living composite Irishman is not a pure Crô-Magnon or Brünn-Předmost man, but it would be no exaggeration to say that, from a metrical standpoint, at least half of his genetic ancestry is to be derived from such a source. Since the number of Mesolithic cultural survivors must have been quite small in proportion to that of the later invaders of Ireland, we are faced with a not uncommon situation, in which an older racial element has, by differential breeding rates, reëmerged.

Having established our composite Irishman, let us see what the differences are from this standard in reference to religious groups and to regions. The Catholics, who form the great majority of the population, fall close to the means reviewed above. The Presbyterians, who are concentrated in the North and who are in part the descendants of immigrants from Scotland, are a centimeter taller and three pounds heavier than the Catholics; their heads are a millimeter longer, a millimeter narrower, and a millimeter higher; their foreheads are a little narrower, their upper face heights longer, while other dimensions remain practically the same. The members of the Anglican Church of Ireland, on the other hand, are virtually the same as the Catholics in height and weight, and in head length and height, but are smaller in head breadth, the three breadths of the face, and in nose size. While the Orangemen slightly exceed the Catholics in some of the features which make the Irish type distinctive, the Church of Ireland Protestants tend rather toward a more usual Nordic metrical norm.

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/index2.htm

[celticdragongod]

Edmund Burke is Irish and his mother was a Catholic from Co Cork. Also his family i.e. the Burke side have been in Ireland since the Normans. Are you now claiming all Irish with Norman surnames aren't Irish?

I guess it would depend on whether they say "Northern Ireland" or "North of Ireland".

[celticdragongod]

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Distance to: CDG_scaled
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0.02529666 EnglandCelticWBI
0.02750511 EnglandCelticWBI
0.03389527 GermanicSaxonCNE
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0.04599941 GaulishFranceShifted:Gaulish:CentralEasternFrance: TeneAube-Barbuise-Gaul:GDF1231
0.04660625 GaulishFranceShifted:
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0.04872134 GaulishFranceShifted:
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0.04994829 GaulishFranceShifted:
0.04994829 GaulishFranceShifted:Gaulish:Northern:France_Grand Est_IA2:I20815
0.04997954 GaulishFranceShifted:Gaulish:CentralEasternFrance: TeneAisne-Vasseny-Gaul:VAS79
0.05028392 GaulishFranceShifted:Gaulish:Northern:TeneAube-Barbuise-Gaul:GDF1264
0.05055306 GaulishFranceShifted:
0.05055306 GaulishFranceShifted:
0.05161967 GaulishFranceShifted:

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.4643% / 0.01464328
57.6 GermanicSaxonCNE
35.6 GaulishFranceShifted
6.8 Basque-like

[Davystayn]

He was Anglo-Irish and his religion was Anglican not Catholic.




Norman names are common so no it depends on the individual and an Englishman can have an Irish grandparent I guess :

Target: SuperLimey
Distance: 0.9398% / 0.00939833 | R4P | ADC: 0.5x RC
33.8 Netherlands_LIA
28.8 Germany_Liebenau_Saxon_EMedieval
19.4 France_MBA
18.0 Ireland_EBA.SG

Target: Netherlands_LIA
Distance: 2.2325% / 0.02232505
60.6 Anglo-Saxon: England_Saxon:I0769
19.8 Anglo-Saxon: Longobard
8.8 Celtic:6DT21
7.2 Anglo-Saxon: Deutschendorf_Poprad_MA
3.6 Anglo-Saxon: DEU_MA_ACD:BIM_33

There are a lot of Norman origin names in Ireland. After assuming control the Anglo Normans ended up becoming over the years 'more Irish than the Irish' and staunch Irishmen. Anyone you may know with surname Walsh has Irish descent in the paternal line who were originally Welsh Normans that went to Ireland.

[Sheppey]

There are a lot of Norman origin names in Ireland. After assuming control the Anglo Normans ended up becoming over the years 'more Irish than the Irish' and staunch Irishmen. Anyone you may know with surname Walsh has Irish descent in the paternal line who were originally Welsh Normans that went to Ireland.

Hiya, mate, thanks but I already knew all of that except the Walsh lineage thing.