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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul View Post
    Yes but it is not an exact science that way. For example Blonde West Asians are no more European than normal ones. Certain genes are simply expressed more or less which is probably the reason that Trabzon people are lighter on average. Could also be because of climate.
    Neither is admixture science, but yes many physical traits are controlled by multiple genes. The blonde gene likely was selected for in Anatolian farmers so in general terms the W Asians with more ENF will have a higher probability of receiving it, for ex kurds from Turkey vs Feyli kurds (also skin tone in both vs SW Asian admixture). Similarly W Asians with higher E Asian admixture will have higher probability of E Asian physical traits however don’t rely on G25 or PCA clustering to detect this. You’ll need more sophisticated calculators.

    Yes certain genes are selected for by environmental forces acting on humans for thousands of years

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    I understand now why i have Caucasian/Caspid traits and because i have some roots from that area by mother and father side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoro View Post
    Neither is admixture science, but yes many physical traits are controlled by multiple genes. The blonde gene likely was selected for in Anatolian farmers so in general terms the W Asians with more ENF will have a higher probability of receiving it, for ex kurds from Turkey vs Feyli kurds (also skin tone in both vs SW Asian admixture). Similarly W Asians with higher E Asian admixture will have higher probability of E Asian physical traits however don’t rely on G25 or PCA clustering to detect this. You’ll need more sophisticated calculators.

    Yes certain genes are selected for by environmental forces acting on humans for thousands of years
    Would the climate factor also explain the stereotype of North Easterners being tall?

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    Aside: Why is this in the "Law and Concepts" folder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShieldWolf View Post
    Aside: Why is this in the "Law and Concepts" folder?
    Oops my bad. I clearly remember it opening in genetics. ��

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nouserneeded View Post
    Would the climate factor also explain the stereotype of North Easterners being tall?
    Never heard of that stereotype. I am tall but probably because of my father, he is tall. My mother is from Trabzon and her side is not that tall. They are lighter than my father's side even tho according to stereotypes my father should be much lighter because he is Circassian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nouserneeded View Post
    This seems more like it. Attachment 102358 The gedmatch results of North Eastern Turks I saw here had Armenians as their first match which didn't make much sense.

    Armenians never lived in North Eastern Turkey and the region was inhabited by Colchian tribes throughout history. No need to mention the fact that North Eastern Turks are way lighter than Armenians.
    This area has a lot of non blond people too, but to you question: NE-Turks(Lazes) are best proxy for preIE and preTurkic people in some areas of Westasia/Caucasus. Although some have a bit steppe admixture. What i can say is that Armenians are nearly the same genetically, just more southern shifted. Because of that they cluster with Armenians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nouserneeded View Post
    Would the climate factor also explain the stereotype of North Easterners being tall?
    I don’t think climate has an association with being tall or short. Look at the Masai in Africa being tall while the pygmies under similar climatic conditions being short. Similarly stepp people were tall. What do the Masai and Steppe people have in common? They both walk alot and dairy is a major component in adult diet. In this case type of nutrition and calories

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul View Post
    Colchis themselves were probably close to Armenians

    Distance to: Turkish_Trabzon
    0.01126883 Greek_Trabzon
    0.01961686 Armenian_Hemsheni
    0.02178454 Armenian

    0.02948861 Georgian_Laz
    0.03280552 Greek_Central_Anatolia
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    I doubt it very much. I myself am a Western Georgian (Mingrelian and Svan, we are considered the closest to the Kolkhs), that is, a descendant of the Kolkhs. Western Georgia has always been more mono-ethnic. These are Imereti, Guria, Megrelia, Svaneti. In western Georgia, Armenians and others lived very rarely and in very small numbers. Unlike southeastern Georgia (Tbilisi). Lazes are also descendants of Colchis. And Laz are considered the closest to us (to Mingrelian). We can understand each other, ordinary Georgians do not understand Laz. I think Laz are a little more often than us (Mingrelians) mixed with Armenians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frowning Man View Post
    I doubt it very much. I myself am a Western Georgian (Mingrelian and Svan, we are considered the closest to the Kolkhs), that is, a descendant of the Kolkhs. Western Georgia has always been more mono-ethnic. These are Imereti, Guria, Megrelia, Svaneti. In western Georgia, Armenians and others lived very rarely and in very small numbers. Unlike southeastern Georgia (Tbilisi). Lazes are also descendants of Colchis. And Laz are considered the closest to us (to Mingrelian). We can understand each other, ordinary Georgians do not understand Laz. I think Laz are a little more often than us (Mingrelians) mixed with Armenians.
    Well I didn't say that they were Armenians, only that they were close to them. Laz people which like you said are Colchis descendants are close to Armenians especially Hemshins.

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