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    We dont know since they never faced ONLY each other on the battle ground. At the time when US entered WW2, Ger was fighting the Russians and others so we will never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianV View Post
    Couldn't beat Japan. Japan attacked the USA/Pearl Harbor December 7, 1941 and in 1945 they were sitting on a US Aircraft carrier singing an unconditional surrender. They have not misbehaved since then. I swear this website has so many autistic losers who know nothing.
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    USA couldn't beat Japan (which was 10 times weaker than Germany) for 6 years.
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    They won only thanks to German nuclear weapons.

    Six months after Pearl Harbor, the U.S. Navy won a decisive victory at the Battle of Midway (June 4-7, 1942). "The Battle of Midway, along with the Guadalcanal campaign (August 1942 - February 1943), is widely considered a turning point in the Pacific War (from the Wiki article about the battle)."

    The U.S. could have won without the use of nuclear weapons, but we would have had to invade Japan itself at a frightful cost in casualties. The casualties would have included not only American and Japanese military personnel, but Japanese civilians as well. The nuclear weapons used by the U.S. were invented by scientists working here in America.

    Near the end, Japanese leaders were teaching civilians to fight American soldiers and Marines without firearms (perhaps with spears). To the extent that the Japanese would have done this, there would have been no civilians any longer, except for children. The Japanese that would have fought like this would have become soldiers without uniforms.

    The U.S. military suffered 407,300 combat deaths in all theaters of World War II.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2garin View Post
    They won only thanks to German nuclear weapons.
    The USA killed more Japs and destroyed more infrastructure with Napalm than Nukes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2garin View Post
    USA couldn't beat Japan (which was 10 times weaker than Germany) for 6 years.
    The Japanese were 10 times more willing to die than the Germans and the U.S pushed Japan out of the Pacific, we didn't want to waste the manpower fighting a bunch of hardcore Japanese who were willing to die. The Germans were pretty soft; they surrendered pretty easily for the most part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianV View Post
    The USA killed more Japs and destroyed more infrastructure with Napalm than Nukes.
    Yea we wiped out entire Japanese armies and fleets, like I said below; we didn't want to waste lives fighting the Japanese in their homeland where they would surely fight to the death; it would have been a meat grinder. The Nazi's and the Japs were two different kinds of soldiers.
    Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smaland View Post
    Six months after Pearl Harbor, the U.S. Navy won a decisive victory at the Battle of Midway (June 4-7, 1942). "The Battle of Midway, along with the Guadalcanal campaign (August 1942 - February 1943), is widely considered a turning point in the Pacific War (from the Wiki article about the battle)."

    The U.S. could have won without the use of nuclear weapons, but we would have had to invade Japan itself at a frightful cost in casualties. The casualties would have included not only American and Japanese military personnel, but Japanese civilians as well. The nuclear weapons used by the U.S. were invented by scientists working here in America.

    Near the end, Japanese leaders were teaching civilians to fight American soldiers and Marines without firearms (perhaps with spears). To the extent that the Japanese would have done this, there would have been no civilians any longer, except for children. The Japanese that would have fought like this would have become soldiers without uniforms.

    The U.S. military suffered 407,300 combat deaths in all theaters of World War II.
    All true, the Nazi's didn't get far in their pursuit of nukes. Their most advanced weapons were still pretty archaic; their jets and rockets didn't have too much of an impact. They were always a day late and a dollar short with their tech. We built our nukes without the help of anyone; Einstein refused to help. Oppenheimer may have been of German descent but he was all American.
    Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    The Japanese were 10 times more willing to die than the Germans and the U.S pushed Japan out of the Pacific, we didn't want to waste the manpower fighting a bunch of hardcore Japanese who were willing to die. The Germans were pretty soft; they surrendered pretty easily for the most part.
    The Japanese Kwantung army immediately surrendered to the Soviet army after the first defeats (640,000 surrendered and 700,000 deserted). The Germans fought against the Soviets until Berlin was taken.

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    Germany was more powerful until 1943. Look at all the nations it took to defeat Germany.

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    The comparinson doesn't make much sense because the Americans would conduct specific operations with limited divisions when for the Nazis it was a matter of survival, the most populous army was that of the Soviet Union.








    The Nazi army was ofc bigger than anything Europe has seen before,

    https://www.britannica.com/event/Wor...ombatants-1939

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    The Germans were pretty soft; they surrendered pretty easily for the most part.
    It was also true for french, british, americans, russians and basically for europeans in general. There was no such fanatism in the Western World what exist in Japan. Americans were also surrended when japanese inveded the Philippines.
    And don't forget germans have fought until the last people including old men and child soldiers in the end, i would not say they were soft people.

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