Turk from Greek Macedonia Result

[Kaspias]

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It is not a regular Turkish source, it is Ottoman tax registers of Rumelia. You can't find it any other language or something more reliable than it. In fact, there is no other source to get such detailed information, expectedly.

More than that, we don't know much about Yoruks to begin with nor they were relevant before the Ataturk era. Νow Tatars settling in Trikala sounds bordeline ancient aliens.

We know everything we need about Yoruks but the term's itself is confusing. Modern Yörüks =/= Medieval Yörüks. The early Yörüks were Beylik era Turks who are still nomads and didn't mix with Anatolians. Modern Yörüks are just Anatolian Turks who prefered to stay as nomadic until recently.

Settlement of Tatars were already known among Balkan Turks. It is not surprising.

Why all these people left nothing behind besides a minaret or two?

Maybe because of they are all destroyed just after Turks leave.

[Bender1999]

You understand that I cannot read Turkish and I don't trust Turkish sources. More than that, we don't know much about Yoruks to begin with nor they were relevant before the Ataturk era.

Ottoman sources are worth gold and more trustworthy than any other sources. And who says they weren’t relevant before Atatürks era?

[Noble Cuman]

It is not a regular Turkish source, it is Ottoman tax registers of Rumelia. You can't find it any other language or something more reliable than it. In fact, there is no other source to get such detailed information, expectedly.


We know everything we need about Yoruks but the term's itself is confusing. Modern Yörüks =/= Medieval Yörüks. The early Yörüks were Beylik era Turks who are still nomads and didn't mix with Anatolians. Modern Yörüks are just Anatolian Turks who prefered to stay as nomadic until recently.

Settlement of Tatars were already known among Balkan Turks. It is not surprising.





Maybe because of they are all destroyed just after Turks leave.

This Patriot? (Muslim Greek) result is similar to these results that you shared. They have little bit elavated east med. They are from city center and Kilkis.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...m-Thessaloniki
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...m-Thessaloniki
For comparing Greek results from Macedonia. I do not know If they are typical. But they get Bulgarian first in their populations. So are they mostly Vlachs, Bulgarians genetically?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...nd-Peloponnese

[Faklon]

The Kebab squad as usual.

Ottoman sources are worth gold and more trustworthy than any other sources. And who says they weren’t relevant before Atatürks era?

Translate then.

The ordinary Turks [Turkmen, or Yörüks] did not have a sense of belonging to a ruling ethnic group. In particular, they had a confused sense of self-image. Who were they: Turks, Muslims or Ottomans? Their literature was sometimes Persian, sometimes Arabic, but always courtly and elitist. There was always a huge social and cultural distance between the Imperial centre and the Anatolian periphery. As Bernard Lewis expressed it: "In the Imperial society of the Ottomans the ethnic term Turk was little used, and then chiefly in a rather derogatory sense, to designate the Turcoman nomads or, later, the ignorant and uncouth Turkish-speaking peasants of the Anatolian villages." (Lewis 1968: 1) In the words of a British observer of the Ottoman values and institutions at the start of the twentieth century: "The surest way to insult an Ottoman gentleman is to call him a 'Turk'. His face will straightway wear the expression a Londoner's assumes, when he hears himself frankly styled a Cockney. He is no Turk, no savage, he will assure you, but an Ottoman subject of the Sultan, by no means to be confounded with certain barbarians styled Turcomans, and from whom indeed, on the male side, he may possibly be descended." (Davey 1907: 209)

Ottoman Turk=Muslim no matter how many biased Durkish revisionists try hard

Tatars in Trikala and ancient aliens in a thread for a guy who shows less East-Asian ancestry than many South Slavs

[Leto]

Why is it even being debated whether that individual is assimilated? He may be a Pomak/South Slav but he is not Turkish, that's for sure. Linguistically maybe and religiously/politically Muslim but ethnically no.

[Kaspias]

This Patriot? (Muslim Greek) result is similar to these results that you shared. They have little bit elavated east med. They are from city center and Kilkis.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...m-Thessaloniki
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...m-Thessaloniki
For comparing Greek results from Macedonia. I do not know If they are typical. But they get Bulgarian first in their populations. So are they mostly Vlachs, Bulgarians genetically?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...nd-Peloponnese

This is not a Patriyot.

The results are similar because both have same native stock, but the ones I posted have East Eurasian too, while OP's don't have. In this sense, he is most probably Pomak. Another option is Turkic admixture is not inherited.

Even though we presume this result is not Pomak, and did not receive Turkic admixture since the beginning, he is still in Slavic speaker range. Patriyots are Greeks.

The primary native stock mixed with Turks are Slavic speakers, followed by Aromanians and Greeks if that's what you are asking.

[Bender1999]

You don’t need to teach me about Turkish history and Ottoman society. Ottomans indeed know and documented which group belonged to which tribe. The „nonsense“ which you spread here is nothing but imbecility.

[Faklon]

You don’t need to teach me about Turkish history and Ottoman society. Ottomans indeed know and documented which group belonged to which tribe. The „nonsense“ which you spread here is nothing but imbecility.

Instantly defensive.

Translate bitch and provide a single medieval source mentioning Yoruks.

[Noble Cuman]

Yes, this person can be Pomak. But Greeks from Macedonia that I gave the link get 1-3 East Eurasian like Turks. So Greeks and Turks in region seem to be similar genetically.

[Bender1999]

Instantly defensive.

Translate bitch and provide a single medieval source mentioning Yoruks.

There are thousand of Ottoman sources about konar göcer(nomads) in Ottoman area, either mentioned as Yörükan, Türkmen,Kurd and even Arabs you brainless putz.