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    This article again adds to my dislike for German politics after WW2 and particularly of the 21st century.
    Gone are the days of Bismarck when Germans really had an idea of Bulgarian history, politics and mentality.
    Germany's current politics is pretty much anti-European and pro-Jewish. It's also liberal and supports crime, rape of their own women by ''refugees'', etc.
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    I lost my last drop of respect for German politicians (and supporters of current German politics who seem to be the majority of Germans) years ago.
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    Germany is eastern like Arabs only thing that matters to them is cultural marxism and money like a Jew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blade View Post
    Macedonia is the child of Serbian propaganda. Later these morons mixed with Albanians, stole Greek history, denied their largely Bulgarian roots but still presented Bulgarian history (saints Cyril and Methodius who were 1/2 Bulgarian and 1/2 Greek, king Samuil, etc.) as part of theirs... There is no Macedonian ethnicity. Your name should have remained FYROM but still I'm glad Greeks prevented you from using it as just "Macedonia" and made you add "North" to it. Karakachanov is indeed a poser in many aspects but creating obstacles for your EU membership is a good side of his.
    Macedonia and half of the West Balkans (Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina) are funny states which pretty much survived to these days thanks to Serbs.
    You should thanks to Communists for today's Montenegrins, Macedonians and Bosniaks. Serbs were majority in Yugoslavia, Communists saw that as big problem and threat to their "Brotherhood unity" so, they did what they did.

    Until the founding of the Bulgarian Exarchate and the creation of San Stefano Bulgaria, the people in Macedonia, in the vast majority, almost entirely felt and considered themselves as Serbs. Slava was celebrated by all; not a Imendan or anything else, but Slava. The schools, if there were any until 1870, were all Serbian, and it is probable that no Bulgarian school existed at that time.

    According to the data available to us, the Serbian name was first mentioned, around 950, as Constantine Porphyrogenitus says: (Πρόζ τόν ϋδιoν νίόν Pωμανòν [De administrando imperio] cap. 32. (p. 99.) p. 152. ed Bonn), that city (τα Σερβλια) in the Thessaloniki area near the river Bistrica (under Olympus) has its name from the Serbs, who first settled there. And later that city is often mentioned (τα Σερβλια), in which the bishop also lived. In the old Serbo-Slavic translation by Jovan Zonara, the town is called Srbčište (И Николица Срьбчишщемъ прїιєтъ Царь [and Nikolica received from Tsar Srbčište] [antiques 14 (1882) p.163] full quote: prof. Vasilije Đerić about Serbian names in old Serbia and in Macedonia, Belgrade, 1904, p. 9).

    According to Grandpa Micko Božinović from Bitola's Topolčani, there is only one pure and true faith on earth, the Orthodox faith. All other faiths are faiths of the spirit of devil pride. The guardian of the pure Orthodox faith is the Greek Patriarchate (he is a patriarch). By God's order, she instructed the Thessalonian brothers, Cyril and Methodius, to translate the holy books into Slavic. Only she, the Patriarchate (Ecumenical, ed. M. R.), is the guardian of true Slavic Orthodoxy. The spirit of pride, the devil did not let some Slavs rest. We don't want the Greek Church! We want our Slavic Church! they said and created the Slavic (Bulgarian, ed. M.R.R.) Exarchate. All Orthodox Christians are brothers, they are all one. One is the same Greek, Slavic, Romanian, only when they are Orthodox. There is little difference between them. We Poljani (old man's tribe) love all domestic cattle, but sheeps are our favorite. Among the Orthodox peoples, for us, the Slavs are like the sheep in the trlu (toru), i.e. dearest. I like the Bulgarian more than the Russians. How can I embrace one brother over another; Bulgarians are our neighbors. They have been here (in Macedonia) recently, they were not there in the old days. Serbs have always been, my ancestors were the same as King Marko, they were Serbs: We are one with the Serbs.

    J.W. Ljotic briefly explains the sequence of historical and political events, in order to explain some phenomena related to the political and national consciousness of the then confused, intimidated, ignorant mostly, but above all in most pious, honest and fair people: "... With the acquisition of the Exarchate, the liberation of Bulgaria, supported by Russia at that time, the Bulgarians developed a lively national activity in Macedonia, they had their bishops in almost every major place, and with them the right to open their schools everywhere, without any hindrance. Then, with the creation of the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (VMRO), through the terror of their comitatus troops and the killing of every prominent Serb, they managed to become almost absolute "lords" in Macedonia by the Ilinden Uprising. The Serbs, on the other hand, occupied with their internal problems, not only lonely in foreign policy, but having, in addition to Bulgarians and Phanariot bishops, an open enemy at every step in Macedonia and a powerful Austro-Hungary, they were on the defensive on all lines. And yet, even in such circumstances, there were and were maintained Serbian oases in Skopje Montenegro, in the Krivopalan area near Azot Veles, in Drimkol, and even in Malovište far on the left coas of the Vardar, which did not succumb, even under that terrible terror of the Bulgarian comitatus troops. Serbian counter-action in Macedonia began only in 1904, at a time when Bulgarians, as we have said, were almost absolute lords and when Macedonian Slavs were considered and counted by many scientists and paid statisticians, almost entirely, as a list for Bulgarians. However, the fact is that in four years, the Serbs managed to expel the Bulgarian troops from the right coast of the Vardar and to establish themselves there completely, so that they could transfer their action to the left coast. In the Thessaloniki vilajet, where there were no Serbian troops, Serbs managed to have far more students than Bulgarians in their schools in a short time: in Kukush, Dojran, Gevgelija, Yenixa Vardar, especially Voden, as well as in many smaller villages, despite Bulgarian and the comitatus troops that were numerous here. From that time around the Turkish Hurriyet in 1908 comes the published official report of the Bulgarian consul in Skopje, who reported to his government in Sofia that the Serbs had succeeded in suppressing the Bulgarians almost everywhere in Macedonia, and that there was a danger that Bulgaria's forty years of Bulgarianization Macedonia will be completely thwarted. That is why he suggests that negotiations be held with Serbia on the partition of the sphere in Macedonia, because that would be the only way to preserve the things of long work, at least to some extent. That preceded, and, perhaps, largely enabled, the Serbian-Bulgarian agreement and the military alliance from 1912, whether to the detriment or for the benefit of either Serbs or Bulgarians, that is another matter. The question is, how could such a quick success in Macedonia have happened, in just four years of work, if the Serbs did not have a stronger foundation? If the Macedonian Slavs were really Bulgarians then ...?

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    Why has this forum turned into a copy and paste nobrain fest,, If I wanted to read wiki or some other trash to garner data I will.

    You are supposed to transpose your thoughts like a human being not like a robot.... Seems our brains are deafened by sheer South Slav brains leaking from its own ears,

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    Every country has every right to protect its culture, language and history from those who seek to appropriate it. If they don't want to be Bulgarians thats their problem.
    But then they have no right to claim Tsar Samuil, Gotse Delchev as their own. They can invent a completely new language.

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    Macedonians decent from Bulgarian branch end of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hahns View Post
    Macedonians decent from Bulgarian branch end of story.
    No, Montenegrin branch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    Why does Bulgaria only care about the Macedonian Slavs of the Republic? They never speak about the Macedonian Slavs assimilated and persecuted by the Greek state. Why do they never protest to the Greek state about historical issues. Were not the Macedonian Slavs of Northern Greece also Bulgarians?
    They wouldn't dare. They are too gutless to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catgeorge View Post
    Take Greece out of your signature no interest in your little marxist rubbish.
    Oswald Mosley was Marxist? That would make you a Bolshevik then

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