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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaditanian View Post
    Ten en cuenta que los esclavos, tienen distinto precio, según su estado de salud, su talla, sus habilidades personales o profesionales, etc por lo que de siempre en los mercados de esclavos hubo precios para todas las clases sociales. Hasta el más pobre hombre libre podría optar a tener un esclavo, aunque claro, quizás estaba fatal de salud o era un tullido, por lo que generalmente cada familia tenía como mínimo uno o dos esclavos.

    Referencia: Sawyer, P.H. Kings and vikings. 1982. página 39

    Puedes leer una review aquí

    https://www.academia.edu/6297978/Kin...yonel_D_Perabo



    Esto no lo veo tan bonito. Los esclavos en todas las sociedades ( excepto la Egipcia creo recordar que eran básicamente trabajadores ), han sido considerados poco más que objetos o animales, porque no tenían derechos algunos, ni siquiera a la propia vida. De hecho, era práctica común que al morir el vikingo, sus esclavos se enterraban con el mismo.

    Tal era el desprecio de los vikingos a sus esclavos que en incluso en un poema del siglo XIV, copiado de una saga vikinga, hablaban así de los esclavos " Bastardo, Holgazán, Enano, Apestoso y Patán. "

    Y cuando morían ni siquiera les daban enterramiento digno, tiraban sus cadáveres a los perros como así narró el cronista árabe Ibn Fadlan " Si un esclavo moría lo abandonaban como comida para los perros y las aves "

    Si una vikinga tenía un hijo de un esclavo, tanto ella como el hijo, pasaban a ser esclavos.

    Si un vikingo tenía un hijo con una esclava, el hijo de ella pasaba a ser también su esclavo, como el que tiene cochinillos de una cerda.

    Tienes más referencias aquí https://books.google.es/books?id=Swy...3%A1n.&f=false

    o Aquí https://web.archive.org/web/20120403...pdf?sequence=1
    A todo lo que has dicho, sí y no a la vez.

    Y un no desde luego a lo de que los pobres compraban esclavos baratitos, podría haber casos, pero no era habitual, no creo que variara mucho respecto a lo que valían en Roma.

    Igual que tener un caballo era algo que solo podían los privilegiados, los esclavos, había que mantenerlos, e incluso era más costoso tener esclavos que tener jornaleros agrícolas libres:

    https://www.calculodehipoteca.net/va...%20sestercios.

    La esclavitud, no es exactamente (siempre) como se ha solido contar.

    Lo que no invalida los casos expuestos por tí.

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    Target: Luso_scaled
    Distance: 4.7998% / 0.04799830
    46.0 Denmark_Langeland
    29.6 Sweden_Oland
    24.4 Sweden_Karda


    Distance to: Luso_scaled
    0.05137081 Denmark_Langeland:VK286
    0.05236407 Sweden_Oland:VK350
    0.05355481 Sweden_Karda:VK265
    0.05531954 Denmark_Funen:VK314
    0.05687232 Denmark_Langeland:VK365
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    0.06422475 Denmark_Jutland:VK330
    0.06527900 Denmark_Jutland:VK329
    0.06681821 Poland_Cedynia:VK211
    0.06702269 Sweden_Skara:VK403
    0.06711240 Denmark_Jutland:VK326
    0.06724964 Sweden_Oland:VK336
    0.06909677 Sweden_Oland:VK353
    0.06951656 Denmark_Jutland:VK322
    0.07022262 Sweden_Karda:VK266
    0.07115490 Denmark_Langeland:VK362
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    0.07309369 Denmark_Funen:VK138
    0.07397105 Russia_Ladoga:VK218
    0.07438121 Sweden_Gotland:VK450
    0.07515723 Sweden_Oland:VK444
    0.07549105 Norway_Nor_Mid:VK118

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    Target: Milenko
    Distance: 2.5194% / 0.02519355
    55.4 Sweden_Gotland
    18.6 Denmark_Funen
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    Target: G25noricum_scaled
    Distance: 1.4204% / 0.01420358
    38.2 Sweden_Gotland
    21.4 Denmark_Langeland
    13.8 Poland_Cedynia
    9.6 Faroes_Faroes
    5.6 Sweden_Karda
    5.2 Denmark_Sealand
    4.2 Sweden_Skara
    1.0 Norway_Nor_Mid
    1.0 Sweden_Oland

    Distance to: G25noricum_scaled
    0.02823601 Denmark_Langeland:VK274
    0.03589486 Sweden_Oland:VK346
    0.03648847 Sweden_Skara:VK30
    0.03656945 Denmark_Langeland:VK362
    0.03904604 Norway_Nor_Mid:VK118
    0.03911643 Denmark_Sealand:VK385
    0.04026435 Sweden_Gotland:VK473
    0.04100777 Denmark_Jutland:VK329
    0.04220327 Faroes_Faroes:VK245
    0.04298814 Russia_Ladoga:VK220
    0.04495524 Sweden_Gotland:VK476
    0.04498194 Denmark_Langeland:VK290
    0.04572606 Iceland_Hofstadir:VK123
    0.04577264 UK_Oxford_England:VK145
    0.04590253 Faroes_Faroes:VK25
    0.04602227 Sweden_Skara:VK29
    0.04602918 Sweden_Skara:VK31
    0.04648302 Denmark_Sealand:VK294
    0.04654593 Denmark_Langeland:VK288
    0.04659493 Estonia_Saaremaa:VK487
    0.04668053 Sweden_Skara:VK306
    0.04718127 Denmark_Jutland:VK327
    0.04728614 Denmark_Jutland:VK322
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    Distance to: Fried_FTDNA_G25_Simulation
    0.06496506 Russia_Gnezdovo:VK254
    0.06772202 Sweden_Gotland:VK476
    0.07209154 Denmark_Langeland:VK362
    0.07256826 Denmark_Langeland:VK274
    0.07852880 Sweden_Skara:VK398
    0.07891616 Russia_Gnezdovo:VK272
    0.08033614 Russia_Gnezdovo:VK255
    0.08088119 UK_Oxford_England:VK145
    0.08092052 Sweden_Oland:VK346
    0.08109963 Denmark_Langeland:VK363
    0.08274655 Iceland_Hofstadir:VK101
    0.08328373 Sweden_Karda:VK266
    0.08368450 Sweden_Gotland:VK477
    0.08454245 Denmark_Jutland:VK329
    0.08460161 Denmark_Jutland:VK322
    0.08460972 Sweden_Oland:VK352
    0.08478311 Sweden_Skara:VK403
    0.08482933 Iceland_Hofstadir:VK123
    0.08559350 Norway_Nor_Mid:VK114
    0.08632083 Denmark_Langeland:VK275
    0.08636446 Denmark_Langeland:VK287
    0.08681208 Sweden_Skara:VK30
    0.08703395 Sweden_Karda:VK265
    0.08720375 Denmark_Jutland:VK326
    0.08726838 Denmark_Funen:VK278

    Target: Fried_FTDNA_G25_Simulation
    Distance: 5.887% / 0.05886723
    52.6 Russia_Gnezdovo
    42.0 Sweden_Gotland
    3.2 Norway_Nor_Mid
    1.2 Sweden_Skara
    1.0 Denmark_Langeland

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    Target: Ivorix
    Distance: 3.3380% / 0.03337992
    66.2 Denmark_Langeland
    15.2 Russia_Gnezdovo
    14.0 Sweden_Oland
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    Target: MauriJussi1m_scaled
    Distance: 1.6402% / 0.01640204
    38.6 Sweden_Gotland
    21.2 Sweden_Skara
    19.0 Iceland_Ingiridarstadir
    14.6 UK_Orkney_Scotland
    3.0 Sweden_Oland
    1.8 Denmark_Langeland
    1.0 Poland_Bodzia
    0.8 Russia_Ladoga


    West Finn in Staraya Ladoga ?

    Distance to: MauriJussi1m_scaled
    0.02777724 Russia_Ladoga:VK18
    0.03498361 Sweden_Oland:VK334
    0.03661244 Sweden_Oland:VK354
    0.03748920 Denmark_Langeland:VK367
    0.03872824 Russia_Gnezdovo:VK224
    0.03880219 Russia_Ladoga:VK221
    0.03882074 Sweden_Oland:VK443
    0.03883540 Russia_Ladoga:VK21
    0.03933853 Russia_Ladoga:VK17
    0.04111935 Sweden_Oland:VK342
    0.04113450 Sweden_Skara:VK395
    0.04124958 Sweden_Gotland:VK457
    0.04142301 Sweden_Skara:VK397
    0.04282824 Poland_Bodzia:VK154
    0.04313284 Denmark_Sealand:VK297
    0.04315927 Poland_Bodzia:VK156
    0.04317985 Denmark_Sealand:VK296
    0.04371422 Norway_Nor_North:VK419
    0.04444997 Poland_Bodzia:VK155
    0.04574131 Estonia_Saaremaa:VK481
    0.04589603 Sweden_Oland:VK348
    0.04628073 Poland_Bodzia:VK157
    0.04631896 Sweden_Gotland:VK473
    0.04654960 Sweden_Oland:VK352
    0.04719000 Russia_Kurevanikha:VK160

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    Target: Jgab602_scaled
    Distance: 1.8415% / 0.01841540

    47.4 Western_African
    38.8 Denmark_Langeland
    7.4 Denmark_Funen
    4.0 Sweden_Oland
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