Estan orgullosos de la independencia de sus paises?

[Kamui]

But Argentina was always a peripheral country...
It just exported corn, meat and leather...
This country never developed important industries or manufactered products, always the result of agricultural crops and the cattle.
I don't know if that's a real development my friend...

Because socialism came before that.

[Kamui]

En parte porque eran "iguales". Aquí en Latinoamérica el criollo no miraba como igual al indio, mestizo, mulato y 400 clasificaciones más para no ser iguales. Asu vez, ellos eran españoles de segunda. Todo lo necesario para que las cosas fueran como sucedieron

Equality is a lie. What it matters is property and freedom what is write in most constitutions. BUT the difference between USA and most part of LATAM is that the first is populated by whites that understand those concepts and the other no. And its ok, you cant expect that non-whites applies these concepts properly if those were developed in Europe.

[axel.aleman]

Panama would still like Haiti under Spain or Colombia. What make the difference is the channel.

You Costa Rican speak for your country if USA do not intervene in Coto War Panama would have borders with Nicaragua

[Kamui]

Orgulloso no. Agradecido con El de arriba.

[Erronkari]

Because socialism came before that.

Yes, in that sense you are absolutely right.
With the extreme interventionism and at the same time the absurdly huge protectionism we lost all the opportunities.
And people still voting these populist orcs.
It seems that a huge number of these people have no remedy.
It's the culture of the subsidies and against the meritocracy.
This is the country where the tree urinates the dog...

[Kamui]

Yes, in that sense you are absolutely right.
With the extreme interventionism and at the same time the absurdly huge protectionism we lost all the opportunities.
And people still voting these populist orcs.
It seems that a huge number of these people have no remedy.
It's the culture of the subsidies and against the meritocracy.
This is the country where the tree urinates the dog...

So you are agree that argentinians anglo-phile elite gave freedom and property to many european ancestors?

[Erronkari]

So you are agree that argentinians anglo-phile elite gave freedom and property to many european ancestors?

Not the anglophiles. Just the capitalism.
It was a period that the country took advantage of its commodities, what's is good of course.
But unhappily the 1929 crack was lethal for Argentina... such crisis in the center had terrible effects here... for a lot of time no country bought our products.
And well... before came the huge interventionism and the story is known...

[Incal]

Netherlands wasnt an spanish protectorate too?

No después de la colonia.

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[Purépecha]

Hasta que se valore, reconcilie y dignifique las raíces amerindias e hispanas, y se descolonice la mente, el espíritu, la historia y la memoria, sólo así, este país va a tener su verdadera Independencia, su verdadera nación, su verdadera religión y su verdadero corazón.

[Purépecha]

Para ameniza, les presento a Arturo Meza, el mejor compositor que ha parido México. De Michoacán para el mundo. Aunque la sociedad todavía no está lista para saberlo...

Nuestra sangre y palabra,
encendieron un fuego pequeño en la montaña,
y lo caminamos rumbo a la casa del poder y del dinero.

Hermanos y hermanas de otro color,
de otra raza y mismo corazón.
Protegieron nuestra luz
y en ella se bebieron sus respectivos fuegos.

Vino el poderoso a querer apagar con su fuerte soplido.
Pero nuestra luz se creció en otras luces.

Sueña el rico con apagar
nuestra pequeña luz primera.
Es inútil, ya hay muchas luces.
Y todas son primeras; y todas son primeras.

La rebeldía que hoy tiene su rostro moreno
y lengua verdadera.
No se nació ahora, antes habló con otras lenguas y en otras tierras.

En muchas montañas con mil historias
a caminado la rebeldía contra la injusticia siempre.
Ya habló en legua Náhuatl; ya habló en lengua Náhuatl...

Pai-pai, Kiliwa, Cucapá,
Cochimi, kimiai, yuma, Seri,
Chontal, Cahita, Chinamteco,
Pame, Chichimeca, Otomí,
Mazahua, Matlazinca,
Ocuiteco, Zapoteco...

Solteco, Chatino,
Papabuco, Mixteco,
Cuicateco, Amuzgo, Triqui,
Mazateco, Chocho,
Izcateco, Huavè,
Tlapaneco, Totonaca; Tlapaneco, Totonaca...

Tepehua, Popoluca, Mixe,
Zoque, Huasteco, Maya Lacandón,
Chol, Tzeltal, Tzotzil, Tojolabal;
Chol, Tzeltal, Tzotzil, Tojolabal...

Mame, Teco, Ixil, Tarahumara, Mayo,
Yaqui, Opata, Cora, Huichol,
Purépecha y Kikapú; Purépecha y Kikapú...

Ahuacateco, Motozintleco,
Chicomoculteco, Kanjobal,
Jacalteco, Quichè, Cakchikel,
Kekchí, Pima, Tepehuán...

Lo hizo también en castilla y
todos somos rebeldía.
La rebelión no es cosa de lengua,
es cosa de dignidad.