Irish samples from Viking paper - calc results

[Grace O'Malley]

Have you looked at the Pictish average have made up? I'd say it's the best proxy yet for \North West Celts, better than LBA Scotland, or Roman Britain. Works very well.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6908994

Need to start to separate the ancient Irish, Pictish and Britons(using Roman Britain, IA Britons and possibly Saxons and vikings of the Brythonic heritage?) against the Norwegian, Danes and Swedes. G25 works best when you make accurate averages rather than using single samples.

These Irish samples will be the first ancient Irish we can play with that are from Ireland. Not including the Bronze age ones, that don't seem to match up so well.

I've put the Pictish average in the spreadsheet and it comes up in my top 25

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.01810072 England_Saxon:I0159
0.02210556 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ7
0.02356175 England_Saxon:NO3423
0.02365802 SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt035
0.02384478 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ16
0.02392086 Pictish
0.02422726 England_IA:I0156
0.02480317 Denmark_Langeland:VK364
0.02492277 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL84
0.02511360 Faroes_Faroes:VK236
0.02515299 Denmark_Langeland:VK320
0.02530855 Faroes_Faroes:VK238
0.02532111 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL146
0.02569819 Iceland_Hofstadir:VK101
0.02592826 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL93
0.02606635 Sweden_Skara:VK40
0.02615760 England_Saxon:I0157
0.02653765 Scotland_MBA:I2655
0.02661400 Greenland_Eastern_Settlement:VK183
0.02663519 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-6
0.02692979 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ12
0.02716849 CZE_Bilina_BA:I7949
0.02720551 Sweden_Skara:VK35
0.02725888 Scotland_LBA:I2860
0.02740521 Sweden_Skara:VK308

[Lucas]

I've put the Pictish average in the spreadsheet and it comes up in my top 25

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.01810072 England_Saxon:I0159
0.02210556 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ7
0.02356175 England_Saxon:NO3423
0.02365802 SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt035
0.02384478 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ16
0.02392086 Pictish
0.02422726 England_IA:I0156
0.02480317 Denmark_Langeland:VK364
0.02492277 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL84
0.02511360 Faroes_Faroes:VK236
0.02515299 Denmark_Langeland:VK320
0.02530855 Faroes_Faroes:VK238
0.02532111 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL146
0.02569819 Iceland_Hofstadir:VK101
0.02592826 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL93
0.02606635 Sweden_Skara:VK40
0.02615760 England_Saxon:I0157
0.02653765 Scotland_MBA:I2655
0.02661400 Greenland_Eastern_Settlement:VK183
0.02663519 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian:VDP-A-6
0.02692979 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ12
0.02716849 CZE_Bilina_BA:I7949
0.02720551 Sweden_Skara:VK35
0.02725888 Scotland_LBA:I2860
0.02740521 Sweden_Skara:VK308

At least real Pictish average, no made up shit from MTA. Based on some Baiuvar or Collegno Lombard sample if I remwmber well.

[Graham]

I've put the Pictish average in the spreadsheet and it comes up in my top 25

Looks sound. SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt035 and the Saxons are probably majority Gael/Pict/Briton with some Scandinavian.

The Szolad, Collegno & Saxon are middle age mixes that are there just to confuse people. The Faroe Islanders, I'd stick in with the modern samples rather than the ancient.

Whereas the Langeland_Denmark Viking era samples in your top 25 are probably good legit samples who barely scored any "British like/North Atlantic" in the paper.

[Lucas]

Those Picts in K36 with modern British Isles regions.

Seems legit they are Celtic mainly.

Distance to: VK201
UK_South_Wales
UK_England_South-West
Ireland
UK_Scotland_Lowlands
UK_Scotland_Highlands


65.2 UK_South_Wales
34.8 UK_Scotland_Highlands



Distance to: VK202
Ireland
UK_England_South-West
UK_Northern_Ireland
UK_North_Wales
UK_Orkney


87.4 Ireland
5.8 FR_Basque
3.6 ES_Cantabria
3.0 Finn_east_and_north


Distance to: VK203
UK_Shetland
NL_Utrecht
Ireland
UK_Scotland_Highlands
UK_England_North-West


(without Shetland in oracle)
62.8 Ireland
15.8 NL_Friesland
8.0 NL_Utrecht
7.0 PL_Suwalki
2.8 FR_Basque
1.4 Baloch_PAK
1.4 Darginian
0.6 Latvia_north-eastern
0.2 Tajik_Rushan




Distance to: VK207
FR_Finistere (West Brittany)
Ireland
UK_Scotland_Highlands
UK_Orkney
FR_West


58.0 UK_Scotland_Highlands
17.4 FR_Finistere
12.2 FR_Basque
6.0 ES_Extremadura
2.6 Mordva_Erzya
2.0 Mari
1.8 Ukraine_Western

[Graham]

What does the Anglsey one show? Seemed to have stood out when I used these general averages, when was going to look at Saxons versus the UK Oxford lot as a better proxy on G25.

Just funny how the old Welsh sample actually scored well with the Britons. Maybe because I didn't use Norwegians.

[Graham]

The reason I done that was actually to look at Grace's top Saxon match first of all, who doesn't match up well with the Danish samples.

[Grace O'Malley]

These have now been added to the G25.

Distance to: VK2020_IRL_Eyrephort_VA:VK543
0.03079049 Norwegian
0.03453262 Swedish
0.03512153 Dutch
0.03513702 Icelandic
0.03791034 Scottish
0.03815723 Welsh
0.03827493 Orcadian
0.03890802 Shetlandic
0.03897256 Irish
0.03928791 English
0.04024462 Danish
0.04215428 English_Cornwall
0.04281823 Afrikaner
0.04304079 German
0.04346991 French_Brittany
0.05174180 Belgian
0.05183954 Czech
0.05223481 Austrian
0.05234724 German_East
0.05238708 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05443715 Slovakian
0.05490301 French_Nord
0.05541312 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05719635 Hungarian
0.05734850 French_Paris

Distance to: VK2020_IRL_Dublin_VA:VK546
0.04121368 Swedish
0.04531641 Icelandic
0.04541874 Norwegian
0.04588173 Dutch
0.04744610 Orcadian
0.04815089 Afrikaner
0.04826123 Danish
0.04850914 German
0.04854398 Welsh
0.04863843 Scottish
0.04909647 English
0.05044172 Irish
0.05098583 English_Cornwall
0.05174034 Shetlandic
0.05235130 French_Brittany
0.05286790 Czech
0.05355692 German_East
0.05507590 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05692578 Austrian
0.05831760 Slovakian
0.05858506 Belgian
0.05871951 Hungarian
0.06043329 French_Nord
0.06172842 French_Seine-Maritime
0.06200524 French_Alsace

Distance to: VK2020_IRL_Dublin_VA:VK545
0.02083158 Irish
0.02149926 Scottish
0.02163422 Orcadian
0.02327473 Shetlandic
0.02331081 Welsh
0.02409256 English
0.02422678 Dutch
0.02463882 English_Cornwall
0.02558507 Icelandic
0.02593732 French_Brittany
0.02699349 Norwegian
0.02896486 Danish
0.02901425 Afrikaner
0.03339104 German
0.03424471 Swedish
0.03609141 Belgian
0.04026846 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04074971 French_Nord
0.04090192 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04388585 French_Paris
0.04426251 French_Alsace
0.04570373 German_East
0.04590508 Austrian
0.04590544 Swiss_German
0.05118930 Czech

Distance to: VK2020_IRL_Dublin_VA:VK544
0.03302019 Norwegian
0.03400743 Dutch
0.03512746 Danish
0.03674650 Swedish
0.03747621 Icelandic
0.03796393 Shetlandic
0.03854753 Welsh
0.03880510 Scottish
0.03974468 English
0.03981892 Orcadian
0.04016729 Irish
0.04043518 English_Cornwall
0.04073186 German
0.04239269 Afrikaner
0.04350379 French_Brittany
0.04882478 Czech
0.04890767 German_East
0.04966128 Belgian
0.05051332 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05063512 Austrian
0.05168272 Slovakian
0.05316212 French_Nord
0.05409445 French_Paris
0.05432747 Hungarian
0.05501122 French_Seine-Maritime

https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2020/...lysis-and.html

[Grace O'Malley]

What does the Anglsey one show? Seemed to have stood out when I used these general averages, when was going to look at Saxons versus the UK Oxford lot as a better proxy on G25.

Just funny how the old Welsh sample actually scored well with the Britons. Maybe because I didn't use Norwegians.

The one from Anglesey has these closest populations.

Distance to: VK2020_Wales_Anglesey_VA:VK171
0.04385428 Dutch
0.04390817 Shetlandic
0.04473912 Irish
0.04484317 Norwegian
0.04509605 Welsh
0.04592036 Scottish
0.04616053 French_Brittany
0.04702644 English
0.04708888 Afrikaner
0.04770299 Orcadian
0.04800115 English_Cornwall
0.05022983 Icelandic
0.05043574 German
0.05069439 Danish
0.05153272 Belgian
0.05228188 Swedish
0.05366102 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05536526 French_Nord
0.05579631 French_Paris
0.05777961 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05807106 Swiss_German
0.05833156 Austrian
0.05856949 French_Alsace
0.06501159 Czech
0.06515363 German_East