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    After similar threads for Romania and Moldova (Moldavia, Wallachia and Transylvania), I decided that it's time to show Bulgaria some love as well.

    For the purpose of this thread, Bulgaria will be divided regionally along the lines of the NUTS statistical regions:




    Eurogenes K13 results:

    Name Location/Ethnicity Number of Samples N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan
    Bulgaria_Northeastern NE 9 22.15 22.37 17.46 13.43 19.44 2.56 0.46 0.32 0.49 0.24 0.29 0.11 0.10
    Bulgaria_Northcentral NC 15 21.30 24.45 17.41 11.88 19.86 2.33 0.65 0.28 0.99 0.37 0.28 0.07 0.14
    Bulgaria_Northwestern NW 27 22.04 26.19 17.58 10.15 19.05 2.31 0.40 0.52 0.70 0.51 0.38 0.07 0.09
    Bulgaria_Southeastern SE 12 20.13 21.81 18.44 13.87 20.44 2.92 0.43 0.30 0.48 0.44 0.47 0.11 0.07
    Bulgaria_Southcentral SC 29 21.22 23.73 18.05 11.66 20.32 2.41 0.57 0.37 0.85 0.21 0.29 0.24 0.04
    Bulgaria_Southwestern SW 33 22.85 24.04 17.87 11.48 18.68 2.26 0.58 0.51 0.85 0.44 0.33 0.06 0.06
    Bulgaria_average Bulgarian 125 21.80 24.15 17.82 11.65 19.51 2.40 0.53 0.42 0.77 0.38 0.33 0.11 0.08



    Name Location/Ethnicity Number of Samples NE+NW Euro Med Euro Caucasus SW Asia Siberia India
    Bulgaria_Northeastern NE 9 44.52 36.90 13.43 2.67 1.06 0.46
    Bulgaria_Northcentral NC 15 45.75 37.27 11.88 2.40 1.63 0.65
    Bulgaria_Northwestern NW 27 48.24 36.63 10.15 2.38 1.73 0.40
    Bulgaria_Southeastern SE 12 41.95 38.88 13.87 3.03 1.21 0.43
    Bulgaria_Southcentral SC 29 44.95 38.37 11.66 2.65 1.42 0.57
    Bulgaria_Southwestern SW 33 46.88 36.55 11.48 2.32 1.80 0.58
    Bulgaria_average Bulgarian 125 45.95 37.33 11.65 2.51 1.57 0.53
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    This is just the beginning and I will continue to update these averages.

    Later today or tomorrow I will also post the averages by provinces. Please don't copy and give them to Lucas, because I don't want to have 1001 averages on K13 again. We will just use the regional ones, as I am doing for Romania and R. Moldova.

    By the way, we were talking the other day about the genetic composition of Northern Bulgarians versus Southern Romanians. The two of them are similar, but what's interesting is that in both countries the Western parts are more Northern-shifted than the Central and Eastern.
    Any guesses on what's the cause for that?



    Name Geography Number of Samples N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan
    Bulgaria_Northeastern Northeastern 9 22.15 22.37 17.46 13.43 19.44 2.56 0.46 0.32 0.49 0.24 0.29 0.11 0.10
    Bulgaria_Northcentral Northcentral 15 21.30 24.45 17.41 11.88 19.86 2.33 0.65 0.28 0.99 0.37 0.28 0.07 0.14
    Bulgaria_Northwestern Northwestern 27 22.04 26.19 17.58 10.15 19.05 2.31 0.40 0.52 0.70 0.51 0.38 0.07 0.09
    Romania_Dobruja Southeastern 21 22.29 24.36 17.86 10.90 19.00 2.26 0.63 0.88 1.17 0.28 0.25 0.06 0.07
    Romania_Muntenia Southcentral 137 21.89 24.46 17.54 11.50 18.85 2.24 0.73 0.57 1.04 0.57 0.36 0.15 0.09
    Romania_Oltenia Southwestern 58 23.55 25.06 17.95 10.70 17.79 1.82 0.68 0.80 0.68 0.40 0.37 0.10 0.10

    Also interesting to notice how Southern Romanians have more Siberian/East Asian admixture than Bulgarians, who according to the history of the country was founded by Turkic Bulgars.

    Name Geography Number of Samples NE+NW Euro Med Euro Caucasus SW Asia Siberia India
    Bulgaria_Northeastern Northeastern 9 44.52 36.90 13.43 2.67 1.06 0.46
    Bulgaria_Northcentral Northcentral 15 45.75 37.27 11.88 2.40 1.63 0.65
    Bulgaria_Northwestern Northwestern 27 48.24 36.63 10.15 2.38 1.73 0.40
    Romania_Dobruja Southeastern 21 46.65 36.86 10.90 2.31 2.33 0.63
    Romania_Muntenia Southcentral 137 46.35 36.39 11.50 2.39 2.18 0.73
    Romania_Oltenia Southwestern 58 48.61 35.74 10.70 1.92 1.88 0.68
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    By the way, if Bulgarian users want me to run them against all samples, then post your coordinates here.

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    Single population distances for the Northern half of the country

    Distance to: Bulgaria_Northeastern
    2.72185598 Pomak_Nevrokopi
    3.00888684 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
    3.02834939 Romania_Muntenia
    3.67209749 Romania_Wallachia
    3.77876964 Romania_Dobruja
    3.87223450 Macedonian_Northwest
    3.97823846 North_Macedonian
    4.02058453 Macedonian_average
    4.17097111 Macedonian_Southeast
    4.31736030 Moldova_South
    4.52887403 Romania_Oltenia
    4.71651354 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
    4.72637282 Vlach_North-Macedonia
    4.79548746 Bosniak_Sandzak
    4.81298244 Romania_Banat
    5.00622612 Macedonian_Central
    5.22492105 Turk_Razgrad
    5.26784586 Turk_Kavala
    5.36676811 Romania_average
    5.40656083 Pomak_Drama
    5.61258408 Montenegrin
    5.86585885 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
    5.87751648 Romania_Transylvania
    5.92919050 Turk_Dobrich
    6.01808109 Macedonian_East

    Distance to: Bulgaria_Northcentral
    1.29846063 Romania_Muntenia
    1.64529633 Romania_Dobruja
    2.34738152 Romania_Wallachia
    2.35087218 Pomak_Nevrokopi
    2.38941415 Moldova_South
    2.98229777 Romania_Banat
    3.24294619 Macedonian_Northwest
    3.28823661 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
    3.47033140 Romania_Oltenia
    3.56953779 Macedonian_average
    3.87761525 Romania_average
    4.06910310 Bosniak_Sandzak
    4.46643034 Macedonian_Central
    4.48833279 North_Macedonian
    4.67138095 Montenegrin
    4.72605544 Turk_N-Macedonia
    4.74340595 Romania_Transylvania
    4.82716273 Macedonian_North
    5.10965752 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
    5.15645227 Romania_Moldavia_South
    5.19317822 Turk_Razgrad
    5.31012241 Macedonian_East
    5.35162592 Serb_Serbia_South&East
    5.40856728 Pomak_Drama
    5.75240819 Turk_Dobrich

    Distance to: Bulgaria_Northwestern
    1.53202480 Romania_Banat
    1.56137760 Moldova_South
    1.74527935 Romania_Dobruja
    2.05046336 Romania_Wallachia
    2.22995516 Romania_average
    2.26313941 Romania_Muntenia
    2.44953057 Romania_Oltenia
    2.94093523 Serb_Serbia_South&East
    3.14593388 Romania_Transylvania
    3.17811265 Montenegrin
    3.20137470 Bosniak_Sandzak
    3.28021341 Romania_Moldavia_South
    3.39660124 Macedonian_Northwest
    3.88459779 Serb_B&H_Herzegovina
    4.45075275 Pomak_Plovdiv
    4.65319245 Pomak_Nevrokopi
    4.76961214 Romania_Crisana
    4.98890770 Macedonian_average
    5.23141472 Macedonian_North
    5.28936669 Turk_N-Macedonia
    5.40677353 Serb_Serbia
    5.48124359 North_Macedonian
    5.48490656 Macedonian_East
    5.63207777 Serb
    5.83582899 Moldova_South_Gagauzia

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    Single population distances for the Southern half of the country

    Distance to: Bulgaria_Southeastern
    1.57076415 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
    2.26185764 Pomak_Nevrokopi
    3.50165675 Macedonian_average
    3.50458271 Macedonian_Southeast
    3.80462876 Macedonian_Central
    4.06041870 Pomak_Drama
    4.15701816 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
    4.47716428 Romania_Muntenia
    4.48792825 Vlach_North-Macedonia
    4.93378151 Romania_Dobruja
    4.96425032 North_Macedonian
    5.27089177 Turk_Kavala
    5.35913239 Macedonian_Northwest
    5.40695848 Romania_Wallachia
    5.41550552 Macedonian_North
    5.44796292 Greek_Northern-Thrace
    5.49625327 Turk_Dobrich
    5.51904883 Moldova_South
    5.68210348 Turk_Drama
    5.74552870 Macedonian_Greece
    5.86091290 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
    5.89114590 Pomak_Komotini
    6.16968395 Albanian_Montenegro
    6.21400032 Albanian_Kosovo
    6.30459356 Turk_Razgrad

    Distance to: Bulgaria_Southcentral
    1.91522845 Romania_Dobruja
    1.92460386 Romania_Muntenia
    2.08309865 Pomak_Nevrokopi
    2.53221247 Macedonian_average
    2.84177761 Romania_Wallachia
    2.89748167 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
    2.96158741 Moldova_South
    3.06264591 Macedonian_Northwest
    3.59897208 Romania_Banat
    3.74938412 North_Macedonian
    3.88140439 Macedonian_Central
    3.89516367 Romania_Oltenia
    4.02554344 Macedonian_North
    4.15563473 Bosniak_Sandzak
    4.26357831 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
    4.55282330 Romania_average
    4.58895413 Macedonian_East
    5.10224460 Montenegrin
    5.28333228 Vlach_North-Macedonia
    5.32858330 Romania_Transylvania
    5.42725529 Pomak_Drama
    5.48297365 Greek_Northern-Thrace
    5.60561326 Turk_N-Macedonia
    5.63213991 Turk_Razgrad
    5.82055839 Romania_Moldavia_South

    Distance to: Bulgaria_Southwestern
    0.96591925 Romania_Wallachia
    1.15134704 Romania_Muntenia
    1.69841102 Romania_Dobruja
    1.77254055 Macedonian_Northwest
    1.80621150 Romania_Oltenia
    2.04594721 Moldova_South
    2.17924299 Romania_Banat
    2.29769450 Bosniak_Sandzak
    2.71707563 Romania_average
    3.00828855 Montenegrin
    3.24149657 Romania_Transylvania
    3.74074608 North_Macedonian
    3.79154322 Pomak_Nevrokopi
    3.87414507 Romania_Moldavia_South
    4.02313311 Macedonian_average
    4.57714977 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
    4.61580979 Serb_Serbia_South&East
    4.93224087 Macedonian_East
    5.26636497 Macedonian_Central
    5.28119305 Romania_Crisana
    5.32059207 Macedonian_North
    5.57198349 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
    5.67810708 Serb_B&H_Herzegovina
    5.67918128 Vlach_North-Macedonia
    5.68599156 Turk_Razgrad


    Bulgarian average
    Distance to: Bulgaria_average
    0.91673333 Romania_Muntenia
    1.29884564 Romania_Dobruja
    1.78980446 Romania_Wallachia
    2.08703138 Moldova_South
    2.51652538 Macedonian_Northwest
    2.62815525 Pomak_Nevrokopi
    2.65836416 Romania_Banat
    2.87843708 Romania_Oltenia
    3.27621733 Macedonian_average
    3.33034533 Bosniak_Sandzak
    3.52211584 Romania_average
    3.57344372 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
    3.88590803 North_Macedonian
    4.09677922 Montenegrin
    4.28794823 Romania_Transylvania
    4.44648176 Macedonian_Central
    4.59084959 Macedonian_North
    4.78589595 Romania_Moldavia_South
    4.87107791 Macedonian_East
    4.91505849 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
    5.15071840 Serb_Serbia_South&East
    5.34466089 Turk_N-Macedonia
    5.50028181 Turk_Razgrad
    5.58514995 Vlach_North-Macedonia
    6.03728416 Pomak_Drama

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ion Basescul View Post
    This is just the beginning and I will continue to update these averages.

    Later today or tomorrow I will also post the averages by provinces. Please don't copy and give them to Lucas, because I don't want to have 1001 averages on K13 again. We will just use the regional ones, as I am doing for Romania and R. Moldova.

    By the way, we were talking the other day about the genetic composition of Northern Bulgarians versus Southern Romanians. The two of them are similar, but what's interesting is that in both countries the Western parts are more Northern-shifted than the Central and Eastern.
    Any guesses on what's the cause for that?



    Name Geography Number of Samples N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan
    Bulgaria_Northeastern Northeastern 9 22.15 22.37 17.46 13.43 19.44 2.56 0.46 0.32 0.49 0.24 0.29 0.11 0.10
    Bulgaria_Northcentral Northcentral 15 21.30 24.45 17.41 11.88 19.86 2.33 0.65 0.28 0.99 0.37 0.28 0.07 0.14
    Bulgaria_Northwestern Northwestern 27 22.04 26.19 17.58 10.15 19.05 2.31 0.40 0.52 0.70 0.51 0.38 0.07 0.09
    Romania_Dobruja Southeastern 21 22.29 24.36 17.86 10.90 19.00 2.26 0.63 0.88 1.17 0.28 0.25 0.06 0.07
    Romania_Muntenia Southcentral 137 21.89 24.46 17.54 11.50 18.85 2.24 0.73 0.57 1.04 0.57 0.36 0.15 0.09
    Romania_Oltenia Southwestern 58 23.55 25.06 17.95 10.70 17.79 1.82 0.68 0.80 0.68 0.40 0.37 0.10 0.10

    Also interesting to notice how Southern Romanians have more Siberian/East Asian admixture than Bulgarians, who according to the history of the country was founded by Turkic Bulgars.

    Name Geography Number of Samples NE+NW Euro Med Euro Caucasus SW Asia Siberia India
    Bulgaria_Northeastern Northeastern 9 44.52 36.90 13.43 2.67 1.06 0.46
    Bulgaria_Northcentral Northcentral 15 45.75 37.27 11.88 2.40 1.63 0.65
    Bulgaria_Northwestern Northwestern 27 48.24 36.63 10.15 2.38 1.73 0.40
    Romania_Dobruja Southeastern 21 46.65 36.86 10.90 2.31 2.33 0.63
    Romania_Muntenia Southcentral 137 46.35 36.39 11.50 2.39 2.18 0.73
    Romania_Oltenia Southwestern 58 48.61 35.74 10.70 1.92 1.88 0.68
    In fact Bulgarians are not Bulgars, maybe some parts of Bulgaria have more East_Asian/Siberian admixture but in general they are not,uses only name,they r native+slavic.
    Btw thanks for idea i will try to make charts like this for Macedonians with regions.
    Target: johnnyp_scaled
    Distance: 1.7117% / 0.01711654 | R3P
    49.6 Ancient-Macedonian
    27.2 Illyrian
    23.2 Balto-Slavic_IA

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyP View Post
    In fact Bulgarians are not Bulgars, maybe some parts of Bulgaria have more East_Asian/Siberian admixture but in general they are not,uses only name,they r native+slavic.
    Btw thanks for idea i will try to make charts like this for Macedonians with regions.
    Of course they are not Turkic. They are just Serbs who use Turkic name, like you are Serbs with ancient Macedonian name/umbrella.

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    I feel bored and to bump thread I played with my coordinates bit. Thracian (FTDNA) and Thracian_I (23andMe)

    First I modeled only Anatolian Turks and Bulgarians.

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    Later I added Turkmens and removed Anatolian Turks. The fit went up,

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    I later added Anatolian Turks, Turkmens, Iranians, Kurds and Greeks.

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    I added Macedonians, (I think both Torbeshi and Vlach samples are wrongly named but added them either) Vlachs, Torbeshi and Pomaks

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    I finally added Balkan Turks but not all of them only places where my ancestors are from (except Stara Zagora, my fathers maternal side actually from V. Tarnovo I selected Stara Zagora since no Veliko Tarnovo sample)

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    Amazing job. You are doing more for Bulgarian genetics than all bulgarians combined. The sea side was heavily colonized by Greeks and Romans. Most of them spoke Greek until around 1920 and some are still called greeks for shits and giggles. Also keep in mind the Varna neolithic samples, there was a big culture out there.

    "who according to the history of the country was founded by Turkic Bulgars." - That was pretty cringe, idk how people assume they were turkic with 0 proofs.

    If you wanna run me or use me in the averages, I'm from the dead center of the country, just 30km north of Plovdiv: BaiNed,25.63,21.24,18.04,8.86,22.32,2.31,0,0,0.27, 0.97,0.32,0,0

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    Quote Originally Posted by bained View Post

    If you wanna run me or use me in the averages, I'm from the dead center of the country, just 30km north of Plovdiv: BaiNed,25.63,21.24,18.04,8.86,22.32,2.31,0,0,0.27, 0.97,0.32,0,0
    Sure, here you go:

    Regional level

    Distance to: BaiNed
    6.07740899 Bulgaria_Southwestern
    6.23972756 Bulgaria_Southcentral
    6.32041929 Bulgaria_average
    6.62448489 Bulgaria_Northeastern
    6.78437175 Bulgaria_Northcentral
    7.12760128 Bulgaria_Northwestern
    7.77051478 Bulgaria_Southeastern


    Provincial level

    Distance to: BaiNed
    4.89908155 Bulgaria_Northwestern_Pleven
    4.92247905 Bulgaria_Northcentral_Silistra
    5.21645473 Bulgaria_Northeastern_Varna
    5.24712302 Bulgaria_Southwestern_Sofia_city
    5.29590408 Bulgaria_Southcentral_Plovdiv
    5.90121174 Bulgaria_Northcentral_Gabrovo
    6.82890914 Bulgaria_Southeastern_StaraZagora
    6.85197782 Bulgaria_Southcentral_Smolyan
    7.14189751 Bulgaria_Northeastern_Dobrich
    7.35434565 Bulgaria_Southwestern_Sofia
    7.50564454 Bulgaria_Southwestern_Blagoevgrad
    7.61789341 Bulgaria_Northwestern_Montana
    7.69476445 Bulgaria_Northcentral_VelikoTarnovo
    8.03757426 Bulgaria_Northwestern_Vratsa
    8.61424982 Bulgaria_Northwestern_Vidin
    8.81989796 Bulgaria_Southeastern_unspecified
    8.83989819 Bulgaria_Northwestern_Lovech
    9.32760419 Bulgaria_Southcentral_Haskov
    9.43139968 Bulgaria_Southeastern_Sliven
    9.69664891 Bulgaria_Northwestern_unspecified
    10.24840475 Bulgaria_Southeastern_Burgas
    10.93937384 Bulgaria_Southcentral_Pazardzhik
    11.36368778 Bulgaria_Southwestern_Kyustendil
    12.15953946 Bulgaria_Northcentral_Ruse


    Individual level

    Distance to: BaiNed
    3.15207868 Bulgaria_Northcentral_13_Silistra
    3.29145864 Bulgaria_Northwestern_24_Pleven
    3.48899699 Bulgaria_Southwestern_25_Sofia_city
    3.62822271 Bulgaria_Southcentral_21_Plovdiv
    3.63159744 Bulgaria_Northcentral_8_VelikoTarnovo
    3.93589888 Bulgaria_Southcentral_9_Plovdiv
    4.18884232 Bulgaria_Southwestern_26_Sofia_city
    4.26321475 Bulgaria_Northcentral_10_Silistra
    4.84852555 Bulgaria_Southwestern_29_Sofia_city
    4.90896119 Bulgaria_Southcentral_14_Plovdiv
    5.21401956 Bulgaria_Southcentral_12_Plovdiv
    5.27046488 Bulgaria_Northcentral_11_Silistra
    5.38969387 Bulgaria_Southcentral_18_Plovdiv
    5.40252719 Bulgaria_Northcentral_3_Gabrovo
    5.45101825 Bulgaria_Northwestern_22_Pleven
    5.47958940 Bulgaria_Northeastern_8_Varna
    5.56393745 Bulgaria_Southeastern_3_StaraZagora
    5.57055653 Bulgaria_Southcentral_15_Plovdiv
    5.57696154 Bulgaria_Southeastern_11_unspecified
    5.80137915 Bulgaria_Northwestern_7_Montana
    5.84196885 Bulgaria_Southwestern_19_Sofia_city
    6.06028052 Bulgaria_Northwestern_13_Vratsa
    6.17937699 Bulgaria_Northeastern_9_Varna
    6.17937699 Bulgaria_Northcentral_4_VelikoTarnovo
    6.19876601 Bulgaria_Northwestern_27_Lovech
    6.29715015 Bulgaria_Southwestern_1_Blagoevgrad
    6.30548967 Bulgaria_Southwestern_23_Sofia_city
    6.41479540 Bulgaria_Southwestern_10_Sofia
    6.45536211 Bulgaria_Southcentral_7_Plovdiv
    6.54835094 Bulgaria_Southeastern_5_Sliven
    6.57159037 Bulgaria_Southcentral_16_Plovdiv
    6.66862804 Bulgaria_Southwestern_17_Sofia_city
    6.68528982 Bulgaria_Southwestern_15_Sofia
    6.72365228 Bulgaria_Southwestern_14_Sofia
    6.73008915 Bulgaria_Northwestern_23_Pleven
    6.82836730 Bulgaria_Southeastern_1_StaraZagora
    6.85197782 Bulgaria_Southcentral_29_Smolyan
    6.93015151 Bulgaria_Northcentral_1_Gabrovo
    7.06250664 Bulgaria_Southwestern_5_Sofia
    7.06283229 Bulgaria_Southcentral_17_Plovdiv
    7.11807558 Bulgaria_Northeastern_7_Dobrich
    7.19815254 Bulgaria_Southwestern_16_Sofia
    7.25421946 Bulgaria_Southcentral_19_Plovdiv
    7.27514261 Bulgaria_Southcentral_22_Plovdiv
    7.36372189 Bulgaria_Southwestern_31_Sofia_city
    7.42187308 Bulgaria_Northcentral_2_Gabrovo
    7.51654176 Bulgaria_Northwestern_1_unspecified
    7.59608452 Bulgaria_Northwestern_8_Montana
    7.70057790 Bulgaria_Northwestern_20_Pleven
    7.70969520 Bulgaria_Northeastern_6_Dobrich


    You are not modelled well with averages, but with individuals, it comes close to your ancestral place of origin, right?

    Target: BaiNed
    Distance: 1.3295% / 1.32952128
    37.0 Bulgaria_Southcentral_21_Plovdiv
    23.4 Bulgaria_Southcentral_19_Plovdiv
    21.4 Bulgaria_Southwestern_25_Sofia_city
    17.8 Bulgaria_Southcentral_12_Plovdiv
    0.4 Bulgaria_Northwestern_23_Pleven


    With Sofia city samples removed, since being the capital their ancestors would have come from all over the country

    Target: BaiNed
    Distance: 1.4445% / 1.44452779
    41.6 Bulgaria_Southcentral_21_Plovdiv
    30.8 Bulgaria_Southcentral_19_Plovdiv
    12.6 Bulgaria_Southcentral_12_Plovdiv
    9.0 Bulgaria_Northwestern_23_Pleven
    6.0 Bulgaria_Southcentral_7_Plovdiv

    Last edited by Ion Basescul; 09-26-2020 at 07:58 PM.

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