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holy smokes!Originally Posted by Annihilus
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So what are the loss in each sides?
If I listen both sides, it wouldn't stay a single soldier to continue the war...
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You're asking for the impossible!
One person who goes through the video footage available reckons in terms of military equipment it is as follows:
Armenia / 'Republic' of "Artsakh" Loses:
- Tanks (160, of which destroyed: 102, damaged: 4, captured: 54)
- Armoured fighting vehicles (30, of which destroyed: 18, captured: 12)
- Infantry fighting vehicles (37, of which destroyed: 18, captured: 19)
- Armoured recovery vehicles (2, of which captured: 2)
- Self-propelled anti-tank missile system (2, of which captured: 2)
- Towed artillery (79, of which destroyed: 54, damaged: 6, captured: 19)
- Self-propelled artillery (14, of which destroyed: 13, damaged: 1)
-Multiple rocket launchers (60, of which destroyed: 60)
*2 from China
Ballistic Missiles (1, of which destroyed: 1)
Mortars (9, of which destroyed: 1, captured: 8)
*7 from Yugoslavia
Self-propelled anti-aircraft guns (1, of which destroyed: 1)
Surface-to-air missile systems (21, of which destroyed: 21)
Radars (11, of which destroyed: 11)
Jammers and Deception systems (1, of which destroyed: 1)
*1 Russian Repellent-1
Aircraft (1, of which destroyed: 1)
Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (4, of which destroyed: 4)
Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps (355, of which destroyed: 171, damaged: 5 captured: 179)
*191 from Russia
Decoys (2, of which destroyed: 2)
Strategic locations hit (16)
Radio mast 1
military base: 5
command post: 4
storage depot: 2
Stepanakert Airport: (1, hit by loitering munition)
Anti-tank guided missiles (42 captured, of which 7 launcher or optic
*9 from Russia
Azerbaijan:
Tanks (25, of which destroyed: 16, damaged: 6, captured: 2, captured but later lost: 1)
*2 from Russia
Armoured fighting vehicles (11, of which damaged: 3, captured: 8)
Infantry fighting vehicles (23, of which destroyed: 11, damaged: 2, captured: 10)
*6 from Russia
Engineering equipment (1, of which damaged: 1)
*1 Soviet IMR-2
Aircraft and Helicopters (8, of which destroyed: 8)
*8 An-2 (used as unmanned bait in order for Armenia to reveal the location of air defence systems)
Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (23, of which destroyed: 22, captured: 1)
* 14 from Israel
*1 from Turkey
Trucks, Vehicles and Jeeps (19, of which destroyed: 13, damaged: 5, captured: 1)
*5 from Russia
*1 from Belorussia
*4 from South Africa
*1 from Israel
The link with far more detail is here. He goes through the video footage to determine the equipment type and what happened. One Armenian claimed he was pro-Turkish for some reason? Its obviously not a 100% thingy but its an attempt to work things out.
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Right now, the information coming from Azerbaijan is censored by their government, unlike Armenia and its ally. I don't know why people trust their information and statistics.
Both Azerbaijan and Turkey are among the world's worst human rights offenders, including the imprisonment and censorship of news media outlets (ie journalists and reporters). Reporters in Azerbaijan are accompanied by "Minders" who control their movements and conversations.
Azerbaijan is ranked 162nd out of 180 countries in RSF's 2017 World Press Freedom Index. For the past three years, the watchdog says, the country’s authorities have "systematically eliminated what remained of media independence."
https://www.rferl.org/a/french-court.../28840783.html
A French court has rejected a lawsuit by Azerbaijan’s government against two French journalists it accuses of defamation in a case described by the defendants and media freedom activists as an attempt by the South Caucasus nation's authorities to export censorship beyond the country's borders.
Broadcast journalists Elise Lucet and Laurent Richard were accused in the lawsuit of defaming the Azerbaijani government by referring to it as a "dictatorship" two years ago, when then-French President Francois Hollande was visiting the Caspian Sea country.
The case was the first time that a foreign government had brought a defamation suit against journalists before a French court.
"The press law has been put in place to prevent political censorship," the president of the court in the Paris suburb of Nanterre said in the November 7 ruling.
Introducing an investigation program about the background to Hollande’s trip on the France 2 television channel in September 2015, Lucet described Azerbaijan as "one of the world's harshest dictatorships."
In an interview with France Info radio, Richard referred to Azerbaijan as a "dictatorship."
Richard and his cameraman were briefly detained in Baku at the end of their reporting trip in May 2014 and their equipment was seized.
"This decision was a very strong signal to the Azerbaijani government that they could not carry out their censorship outside the country," Richard told RFE/RL after the decision was announced.
Johann Bihr, the head of Reporters Without Borders' (RSF) Eastern Europe and Central Asia desk, welcomed the court decision rejecting the lawsuit, which the journalism watchdog has called "an act of intimidation highlighting the Azerbaijani government's contempt for free speech."
"We are deeply relieved that Azerbaijan has failed to export its censorship to France," Bihr was quoted as saying in the statement. "Any other decision would have opened a dangerous breach that would have allowed despots all over the world to come and persecute French journalists in France."
Azerbaijan is ranked 162nd out of 180 countries in RSF's 2017 World Press Freedom Index. For the past three years, the watchdog says, the country’s authorities have "systematically eliminated what remained of media independence."
President Ilham Aliyev -- who has ruled the oil-producing country of nearly 10 million people since shortly before the death of his father, Heydar Aliyev, in 2003 -- is on RSF’s list of press freedom predators.
RSF says that at least 16 journalists, bloggers, and media workers are "currently imprisoned in connection with the provision of news and information – usually on trumped-up charges."
Dozens of journalists have fled the country in recent yearsto escape the crackdown, according to the watchdog.
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Politicians make such fake promises to get the people to vote for them, but once they get in office the promises they made would either be compromised or never fulfilled. I mean, there is no legal contract between the voters and the politicians hence you couldn't say sue such politicians in contrast to say politicians and their donars. Israel is making a lot of money from this conflict similar to the US and UK's military sales to Saudi Arabia and her allies against the Yemenis. Basically, that's what George Orwell had predicted in his book, 1984. War is peace, peace is war and etc. Indeed. The whole "peace" agreements between Israel and certain Arab countries like here, Bahrain and Sudan are all just farce really since they had very close tied with one another for many years. Not to mention that the ethnic relations between Arabs and Jews are as bad as ever. All in all, no matter who you vote for the outcome will always be the same:
Yes, in every war or conflict, there is the oppressed and the oppressor, and Armenians are the ones who are being oppressed. My father, who once served in the PLO, told me that the organization had collaborated with several Armenian militias in both Armenia and the Levant(forgot what they were called) back in the 70's and early 80's..
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Probably ASALA.
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Another crime of the Armenian armed forces.
Armenian attacks kill 21 in Azerbaijan's Barda
Nearly 70 people wounded as Armenia flouts cease-fire yet again, targets Azerbaijani civilians, authorities say
At least 21 civilians were killed and nearly 70 others injured in missile attacks by Armenian forces on the city center of Azerbaijan's Barda region, local authorities said Wednesday.
The cluster bombs, which are prohibited by international law, were fired at around 1:00 p.m. local time [0900GMT] targeting the densely populated area with commercial establishments in Barda, Azerbaijan’s Prosecutor General’s Office said in a statement.
Civilian infrastructure and vehicles in the city were also severely damaged, it added.
This follows Tuesday's attacks that killed at least five civilians and injured 10 as Armenia continues to flout numerous cease-fires.
"Following missile attacks to Tartar, armed forces of Armenia firing rockets to Barda. No lessons learned from yesterday's killing of civilians with cluster weapons. Armenia must end its military occupation and #WarCrimes," Hikmet Hajiyev, assistant to the Azerbaijani president, said on Twitter.
He also said that Armenia once again used the Russian Smerch missiles causing civilian casualties.
"Such deliberate War Crimes of Armenia are deplorable," Hajiyev said.
Calling the attacks an "act of genocide by Armenia against Barda city", Hajiyev said all people targeted in the area were "innocent civilians," adding that cluster Smerch missiles have been used.
"Armenia used cluster munitions to inflict excessive casualties among civilians. It is policy of state terror by Armenia," he said, adding the city center of Barda was deliberately targeted.
"We invite @hrw and @amnesty to conduct on site assessment of such crimes of #Armenia," he said, referring to Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International.
Earlier, the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry said: "Armenian armed forces, grossly violating the humanitarian ceasefire regime, have fired at the Barda city from the "Smerch" MLRS [Multiple Launch Rocket System]."
Since the clashes erupted on Sept. 27, Armenia has repeatedly attacked Azerbaijani civilians and forces, even violating three humanitarian cease-fires since Oct. 10.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/azerbaijan-...barda/2022213#
https://m.az.sputniknews.ru/photo/20...arda-foto.html
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Stop that ugly Turkish propaganda. Armenians have nothing to do with that.
They say that Syrian terrorists made the bombings in Barda. This fact is seen even in the video frames provided by Baku regime: there is no a single trace of shells, there are no craters. The footage shows only burning cars and bodies, which is very reminiscent of a terrorist attack, not shelling.
By the way here is what Turkish footballer Umut Bulut wrote:
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Artsakh urges Azerbaijani Civilians Not to Serve as Human Shields.
https://armenpress.am/eng/news/1033087.html
YEREVAN, OCTOBER 28, ARMENPRESS. The military-political leadership of Azerbaijan continues carrying out overt and deliberate war crimes, targeting Artsakh’s hospitals, schools, residential houses and other public objects from different weapons, killing or injuring civilians, ARMENPRESS reports Vahram Poghosyan, spokesperson of Artsakh’s President, wrote on his Facebook page.
‘’And the world with its famous media outlets continues to silently record it, at best, regretting for the human losses.
The international community should put an end to the futile actions aimed at stopping this war that has turned into a humanitarian disaster and make practical measures, otherwise, the disaster will go deeper into the region.
We once again warn the Azerbaijani military-political leadership that no strike against our civilian settlements does not and will not remain unanswered.
We once again urge the residents of the Azerbaijani settlements near whose houses Azerbaijani armed forces have located their military objects, to go away not to serve as a human shield against our retaliation to the war crimes of the Azerbaijani authorities'', Poghosyan said.
The Azerbaijani military used Smerch multiple rocket launchers to bombard Stepanakert and Shushi on October 28. The maternity hospital in the capital city of Artsakh was hit with air strikes.
One civilian died and two others were wounded in the Shushi bombing. In Stepanakert, the authorities said the bombing has caused heavy casualties.
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This morning there were confirmed information and many terrible photos about how the forces of the criminal Baku regime bombed two hospitals including a maternity hospital in Stepanakert.
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