Who is more white, armenians or azerbaijanis?

[Kyp]

Azerbaijanis have more Steppe due to Irano-Turkic influence, Armenians have more Anatolian.

Azerbaijanis = more European genetically and more non-caucasoid --> it's a tie


both are not European though, same goes for Georgians.

[Ascended]

How about Pontic Greeks? Are they European?

[Frowning Man]

Both Armenians and Azerbaijanis don't give a fuck about being European or not. However, a Georgian will feel insulted if you don't include him in the Euro family.

Strange opinion. I am a Georgian, and I have never considered myself to be neither white nor even Europeans. Like most of the Georgians I know.

[Kyp]

Considering their location Armenians and Azerbaijanis quite differ genetically this has to be stressed:
Here my father compared to the average of Armenians

[FinalFlash]

How about Pontic Greeks? Are they European?

Yeah. Though genetically they're very Armenian-like with a slightly higher CHG input and no steppe.

[Frowning Man]

Yeah. Though genetically they're very Armenian-like with a slightly higher CHG input and no steppe.

What is this steppe? And how does it generally affect?

[user_]

Strange opinion. I am a Georgian, and I have never considered myself to be neither white nor even Europeans. Like most of the Georgians I know.

I'm also Georgian and i consider Georgia as a part of Europe, like 80% of Georgians who voted for joining EU. Don't give a sh** about whiteness, cause it's not a question in Georgia.

both are not European though, same goes for Georgians.

Genetically Georgians are uber Caucasian, if Caucasus is part of Europe than Georgian genetic is also Euro, that's about geopolitics really.
Phenotype speaking, who is european? Person with blue eyes, light hair and white skin? Georgians are on par with Balkans and more light than many south European populations.
Same goes to culture, politics etc etc

Finns and Sardinians are both Europeans, why Georgians can't?

[FinalFlash]

What is this steppe? And how does it generally affect?

Steppe is basically the proto indo-european component.........supposedly.

[Frowning Man]

I'm also Georgian and i consider Georgia as a part of Europe, like 80% of Georgians who voted for joining EU. Don't give a sh** about whiteness, cause it's not a question in Georgia.




Genetically Georgians are uber Caucasian, if Caucasus is part of Europe than Georgian genetic is also Euro, that's about geopolitics really.
Phenotype speaking, who is european? Person with blue eyes, light hair and white skin? Georgians are on par with Balkans and more light than many south European populations.
Same goes to culture, politics etc etc

Finns and Sardinians are both Europeans, why Georgians can't?

I think the Georgians voted for joining the EU, as they had to choose in which direction to develop the country. And the Georgians chose the EU. I don't mind if it helps to improve the economy, welfare and more in Georgia. But this does not mean that I should feel myself as a European. I don't want to feel like a European. I only feel like a Georgian.

[Kyp]

I'm also Georgian and i consider Georgia as a part of Europe, like 80% of Georgians who voted for joining EU. Don't give a sh** about whiteness, cause it's not a question in Georgia.




Genetically Georgians are uber Caucasian, if Caucasus is part of Europe than Georgian genetic is also Euro, that's about geopolitics really.
Phenotype speaking, who is european? Person with blue eyes, light hair and white skin? Georgians are on par with Balkans and more light than many south European populations.
Same goes to culture, politics etc etc

Finns and Sardinians are both Europeans, why Georgians can't?

I know you are part of the Georgia = European front but:

- phenotype shouldn't matter in this discussion, it's pseudo-science and albino Middle-Easterners are proving this.
- sure let's assume for a second Caucasus is European: That would make nearly all of the Middle-East 80% European genetically. So no Caucasus is definetly not European from a genetic standpoint. Finns and Sardinians are nowhere near non-european populations unlike Georgians, this is an important factor. Actually if Finns and Sardinians are considered European this strongens the point of Georgians being WestAsian because Georgians form an end of the West Asian cline/cluster similar to what Finns are to the European cluster.

Culture, politics is a different topic and I'm not too well-versed with Georgia to haven an opinion about this but I never argued that Georgia isn't European politically.