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    Default Most East Med Population (Ancient/Modern) with Least Amount of West Asian/Red Sea?

    Minoans?

    Eurogenes:
    # Population Percent
    1 West_Med 43
    2 East_Med 38.95
    3 Atlantic 12.66
    4 West_Asian 4.85
    5 Red_Sea 0.54

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Sardinian 21.15
    2 Algerian_Jewish 24.64
    3 Italian_Jewish 26.18
    4 South_Italian 27.06
    5 Sephardic_Jewish 27.65
    6 West_Sicilian 28.13
    7 Tunisian_Jewish 28.39
    8 Libyan_Jewish 28.52
    9 Cyprian 29.08
    10 East_Sicilian 29.12
    11 Central_Greek 29.49
    12 Tuscan 30.58
    13 Greek 31.09
    14 Italian_Abruzzo 31.09
    15 Ashkenazi 31.45
    16 Tunisian 31.81
    17 Greek_Thessaly 32.31
    18 Algerian 32.6
    19 Mozabite_Berber 32.85
    20 Samaritan 32.91

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 68% Sardinian + 32% Lebanese_Druze @ 13.52
    2 66.5% Sardinian + 33.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 13.6
    3 65.1% Sardinian + 34.9% Samaritan @ 13.85
    4 62.1% Sardinian + 37.9% Cyprian @ 14.48
    5 71.4% Sardinian + 28.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 14.91
    6 69.5% Sardinian + 30.5% Palestinian @ 15.06
    7 74.9% Sardinian + 25.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 15.18
    8 72.4% Sardinian + 27.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 15.28
    9 62.6% Sardinian + 37.4% Libyan_Jewish @ 15.6
    10 69.2% Sardinian + 30.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 15.61
    11 70.6% Sardinian + 29.4% Jordanian @ 15.68
    12 62.6% Sardinian + 37.4% Tunisian_Jewish @ 15.75
    13 57.4% Sardinian + 42.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 15.83
    14 72.9% Sardinian + 27.1% Assyrian @ 15.86
    15 70.3% Sardinian + 29.7% Syrian @ 16.04
    16 60.6% Sardinian + 39.4% Italian_Jewish @ 16.49
    17 62.9% Sardinian + 37.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 16.68
    18 75.5% Sardinian + 24.5% Georgian_Jewish @ 16.71
    19 72.9% Sardinian + 27.1% Egyptian @ 16.77
    20 73.8% Sardinian + 26.2% Bedouin @ 16.84

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    Gedmatch kits

    Z140201 Minoan
    Z383564 Minoan
    Z746199 Minoan
    Z497886 Minoan
    Z834237 Minoan
    Z129820 Minoan
    Z646820 Minoan
    Z445292 Minoan
    Z501208 Minoan
    Z242828 Minoan
    M897077 Anatolian Neolithic Farmer

    Went through the kits and it seems Minoan Z501208 is the big bertha.

    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 50.21
    2 West_Med 39.02
    3 West_Asian 8.25
    4 Baltic 2.36
    5 Red_Sea 0.16

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Cyprian 26.5
    2 Algerian_Jewish 26.77
    3 Libyan_Jewish 27.36
    4 Samaritan 28.08
    5 Italian_Jewish 28.23
    6 Tunisian_Jewish 28.83
    7 Lebanese_Christian 29.28
    8 Sephardic_Jewish 29.73
    9 South_Italian 30.08
    10 Lebanese_Druze 31.26
    11 East_Sicilian 32.42
    12 Lebanese_Muslim 32.52
    13 Central_Greek 32.54
    14 Palestinian 33.06
    15 Syrian 33.29
    16 West_Sicilian 33.43
    17 Ashkenazi 33.77
    18 Jordanian 33.86
    19 Sardinian 34.97
    20 Kurdish_Jewish 35.08

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 57.8% Lebanese_Christian + 42.2% Sardinian @ 21.03
    2 54.7% Lebanese_Druze + 45.3% Sardinian @ 21.15
    3 60.3% Samaritan + 39.7% Sardinian @ 21.4
    4 65.8% Cyprian + 34.2% Sardinian @ 22.55
    5 50.1% Sardinian + 49.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 23.2
    6 52.7% Palestinian + 47.3% Sardinian @ 23.71
    7 51.7% Sardinian + 48.3% Iranian_Jewish @ 23.85
    8 66.3% Libyan_Jewish + 33.7% Sardinian @ 24.15
    9 57% Sardinian + 43% Yemenite_Jewish @ 24.21
    10 53.9% Lebanese_Muslim + 46.1% Sardinian @ 24.5
    11 51.6% Jordanian + 48.4% Sardinian @ 24.54
    12 52.1% Sardinian + 47.9% Assyrian @ 24.71
    13 52.7% Syrian + 47.3% Sardinian @ 25.03
    14 73.4% Algerian_Jewish + 26.6% Sardinian @ 25.3
    15 63.8% Tunisian_Jewish + 36.2% Sardinian @ 25.38
    16 56% Cyprian + 44% Algerian_Jewish @ 26.04
    17 64.5% Algerian_Jewish + 35.5% Samaritan @ 26.18
    18 68.9% Italian_Jewish + 31.1% Sardinian @ 26.23
    19 56.3% Sardinian + 43.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 26.24
    20 67.8% Cyprian + 32.2% Libyan_Jewish @ 26.24

    Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 54.37
    2 West_Med 41.81
    3 West_Asian 3.18
    4 Red_Sea 0.64

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Algerian_Jewish 27.09
    2 Italian_Jewish 28.38
    3 Cyprian 28.66
    4 Tunisian_Jewish 29.44
    5 Libyan_Jewish 29.59
    6 Samaritan 30.28
    7 Sephardic_Jewish 30.63
    8 Lebanese_Christian 31.02
    9 South_Italian 32.05
    10 Ashkenazi 32.49
    11 Lebanese_Druze 33.92
    12 East_Sicilian 34.11
    13 Lebanese_Muslim 34.72
    14 Central_Greek 35
    15 West_Sicilian 35.01
    16 Tunisian 35.12
    17 Sardinian 35.47
    18 Palestinian 35.54
    19 Syrian 36.05
    20 Jordanian 36.4

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 56.4% Lebanese_Christian + 43.6% Sardinian @ 22.84
    2 57.9% Samaritan + 42.1% Sardinian @ 23.17
    3 52.1% Lebanese_Druze + 47.9% Sardinian @ 23.85
    4 63.1% Cyprian + 36.9% Sardinian @ 24.38
    5 57.8% Sardinian + 42.2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 25.2
    6 50.1% Sardinian + 49.9% Palestinian @ 25.67
    7 74.8% Algerian_Jewish + 25.2% Sardinian @ 25.83
    8 63.9% Tunisian_Jewish + 36.1% Sardinian @ 26.13
    9 63.7% Libyan_Jewish + 36.3% Sardinian @ 26.28
    10 51.4% Sardinian + 48.6% Jordanian @ 26.35
    11 51.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 48.8% Sardinian @ 26.45
    12 55.6% Sardinian + 44.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 26.48
    13 70.1% Italian_Jewish + 29.9% Sardinian @ 26.54
    14 56.3% Sardinian + 43.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 26.61
    15 84.6% Algerian_Jewish + 15.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 26.94
    16 83.9% Algerian_Jewish + 16.1% Samaritan @ 26.96
    17 82% Algerian_Jewish + 18% Cyprian @ 27.01
    18 100% Algerian_Jewish + 0% Abhkasian @ 27.09
    19 100% Algerian_Jewish + 0% Adygei @ 27.09
    20 100% Algerian_Jewish + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 27.09
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    looking at these results they were probably quite dark

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilcar View Post
    looking at these results they were probably quite dark


    WHG

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    Lebanese Christian VS Natufian VS Anatolian Neolithic Farmer

    Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 53.11
    2 West_Asian 26.72
    3 West_Med 10.54
    4 Red_Sea 6.44
    5 Northeast_African 1.16
    6 South_Asian 0.95
    7 East_Asian 0.66
    8 Siberian 0.4
    9 North_Atlantic 0.03

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Lebanese_Druze 8.1
    2 Lebanese_Christian 10.17
    3 Kurdish_Jewish 11.24
    4 Iranian_Jewish 11.45
    5 Assyrian 13.12
    6 Samaritan 13.2
    7 Lebanese_Muslim 13.75
    8 Cyprian 15.53
    9 Palestinian 15.97
    10 Syrian 16.29
    11 Jordanian 16.59
    12 Georgian_Jewish 16.81
    13 Armenian 19.33
    14 Tunisian_Jewish 21.82
    15 Libyan_Jewish 22.62
    16 Turkish 22.71
    17 Bedouin 22.75
    18 Azeri 24.16
    19 Sephardic_Jewish 24.34
    20 Kurdish 24.73

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 75.8% Lebanese_Druze + 24.2% Kurdish_Jewish @ 7.67
    2 80.8% Lebanese_Druze + 19.2% Assyrian @ 7.7
    3 78.4% Lebanese_Druze + 21.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 7.77
    4 88.7% Lebanese_Druze + 11.3% Armenian @ 7.78
    5 87% Lebanese_Druze + 13% Georgian_Jewish @ 7.79
    6 94.2% Lebanese_Druze + 5.8% Abhkasian @ 7.81
    7 95.7% Lebanese_Druze + 4.3% Georgian @ 7.95
    8 95.7% Lebanese_Druze + 4.3% Kurdish @ 8.03
    9 97.4% Lebanese_Druze + 2.6% Iranian @ 8.08
    10 99.6% Lebanese_Druze + 0.4% North_Ossetian @ 8.1
    11 99.6% Lebanese_Druze + 0.4% Adygei @ 8.1
    12 99.7% Lebanese_Druze + 0.3% Makrani @ 8.1
    13 99.8% Lebanese_Druze + 0.2% Brahui @ 8.1
    14 98% Lebanese_Druze + 2% Lebanese_Christian @ 8.1
    15 99.8% Lebanese_Druze + 0.2% Ossetian @ 8.1
    16 100% Lebanese_Druze + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 8.1
    17 100% Lebanese_Druze + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 8.1
    18 100% Lebanese_Druze + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 8.1
    19 100% Lebanese_Druze + 0% Aghan_Hazara @ 8.1
    20 100% Lebanese_Druze + 0% Algerian @ 8.1


    Natufian

    Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

    Kit M041601

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Red_Sea 38.37
    2 East_Med 36.34
    3 West_Med 19.79
    4 Northeast_African 5.5

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Saudi 16.81
    2 Yemenite_Jewish 21.66
    3 Bedouin 22.15
    4 Egyptian 23.39
    5 Moroccan 26.55
    6 Tunisian 27.41
    7 Palestinian 27.61
    8 Algerian 27.65
    9 Jordanian 28.9
    10 Mozabite_Berber 29.05
    11 Samaritan 29.45
    12 Libyan_Jewish 29.49
    13 Tunisian_Jewish 30.36
    14 Syrian 30.78
    15 Lebanese_Christian 32.32
    16 Algerian_Jewish 32.67
    17 Sephardic_Jewish 33.2
    18 Lebanese_Muslim 33.75
    19 Italian_Jewish 34.11
    20 Cyprian 34.53

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 69.6% Saudi + 30.4% Moroccan @ 13.52
    2 83.4% Saudi + 16.6% Sardinian @ 13.71
    3 74.2% Saudi + 25.8% Mozabite_Berber @ 14.33
    4 73.6% Saudi + 26.4% Algerian @ 14.53
    5 74.3% Saudi + 25.7% Tunisian @ 14.79
    6 90.9% Saudi + 9.1% French_Basque @ 15.51
    7 90.3% Saudi + 9.7% Southwest_French @ 15.69
    8 90.2% Saudi + 9.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 15.74
    9 90.2% Saudi + 9.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 15.75
    10 90.1% Saudi + 9.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 15.81
    11 89.8% Saudi + 10.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 15.82
    12 90.1% Saudi + 9.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 15.85
    13 89.7% Saudi + 10.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 15.85
    14 90.3% Saudi + 9.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 15.89
    15 90.7% Saudi + 9.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 15.93
    16 90.3% Saudi + 9.7% Portuguese @ 15.94
    17 90.4% Saudi + 9.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 15.94
    18 91.5% Saudi + 8.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.07
    19 90.6% Saudi + 9.4% North_Italian @ 16.15
    20 90.8% Saudi + 9.2% Tuscan @ 16.31


    Anatolian Neolithic Farmer

    Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

    Kit M897077

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Med 48.34
    2 East_Med 40.09
    3 North_Atlantic 7.7
    4 Red_Sea 3.86

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Sardinian 20.72
    2 Algerian_Jewish 25.84
    3 Italian_Jewish 27.54
    4 South_Italian 29.02
    5 Sephardic_Jewish 29.54
    6 Libyan_Jewish 29.88
    7 Tunisian_Jewish 29.98
    8 West_Sicilian 30.08
    9 East_Sicilian 30.75
    10 Ashkenazi 31.04
    11 Tunisian 31.44
    12 Cyprian 31.56
    13 Central_Greek 31.64
    14 Moroccan 32.07
    15 Algerian 32.51
    16 Mozabite_Berber 32.56
    17 Tuscan 33.01
    18 Italian_Abruzzo 33.81
    19 Greek_Thessaly 34.61
    20 Samaritan 35

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 69.6% Sardinian + 30.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 14.69
    2 68.5% Sardinian + 31.5% Samaritan @ 14.71
    3 76% Sardinian + 24% Yemenite_Jewish @ 15.08
    4 72.8% Sardinian + 27.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 15.54
    5 67% Sardinian + 33% Cyprian @ 15.75
    6 73.2% Sardinian + 26.8% Palestinian @ 16
    7 74.1% Sardinian + 25.9% Jordanian @ 16.4
    8 61.3% Sardinian + 38.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 16.47
    9 66.7% Sardinian + 33.3% Tunisian_Jewish @ 16.51
    10 66.6% Sardinian + 33.4% Libyan_Jewish @ 16.52
    11 74.3% Sardinian + 25.7% Egyptian @ 16.58
    12 79% Sardinian + 21% Saudi @ 16.68
    13 75.1% Sardinian + 24.9% Bedouin @ 16.68
    14 73.4% Sardinian + 26.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 16.7
    15 77% Sardinian + 23% Kurdish_Jewish @ 16.74
    16 77.6% Sardinian + 22.4% Iranian_Jewish @ 16.86
    17 74.1% Sardinian + 25.9% Syrian @ 16.86
    18 64.6% Sardinian + 35.4% Italian_Jewish @ 16.97
    19 77.9% Sardinian + 22.1% Assyrian @ 17.23
    20 68.2% Sardinian + 31.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 17.51

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockdownboredom View Post


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    My I2 ancestor

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockdownboredom View Post
    Most East Med Population (Ancient/Modern) with Least Amount of West Asian/Red Sea?
    Here are the top 20 ancients. Minoans don't make the cut.

    Sample East Med West Asian Red Sea Difference of East Med - W_Asian - Red Sea
    I1097_Anatolia_N_8288_ybp 44.06 0 3.82 40.24
    I1098_Anatolia_N_8288_ybp 45.08 0 5.32 39.76
    I1187_Israel_C_5950_ybp 60.54 0 20.83 39.71
    I0708_Anatolia_N_8097_ybp 44.29 0.08 4.81 39.4
    I0744_Anatolia_N_8273_ybp 42.05 0 2.91 39.14
    I3433_Croatia_Cardial_N_7814_ybp 40.28 0 1.43 38.85
    I2026_Germany_LBK_EN_7125_ybp 38.79 0 0 38.79
    I1096_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp 41.95 0 3.64 38.31
    I1101_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp 42.3 0 4.06 38.24
    I0676_Macedonia_N_7807_ybp 40.6 0 2.45 38.15
    I2318_Greece_Peloponnese_N_5945_ybp 41.33 0.91 2.35 38.07
    I1184_Israel_C_5950_ybp 59.22 0 21.16 38.06
    I1889_Hungary_Vinca_MN_6977_ybp 39.8 0 1.8 38
    I2532_Neolithic_Romania_8kya_ 40.31 0 2.47 37.84
    I0723_Anatolia_N_7870_ybp 41.94 0 4.11 37.83
    I0736_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp 42.32 0 4.71 37.61
    I1099_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp 41.04 0 3.5 37.54
    I3709_Greece_Peloponnese_N_5847_ybp 43.55 1.97 4.14 37.44
    I2792_Croatia_Vucedol_4677_ybp 37.42 0 0 37.42
    I1887_Hungary_Vinca_MN_7150_ybp 39.2 0 1.94 37.26

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ion Basescul View Post
    Here are the top 20 ancients. Minoans don't make the cut.
    Minoan Z501208 is the reigning champ.

    1 East_Med 54.37
    2 West_Med 41.81
    3 West_Asian 3.18
    4 Red_Sea 0.64

    54.37 - 3.82 = 50.55

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockdownboredom View Post
    Minoan Z501208 is the reigning champ.

    1 East_Med 54.37
    2 West_Med 41.81
    3 West_Asian 3.18
    4 Red_Sea 0.64

    54.37 - 3.82 = 50.55
    Trash champ, because that one is a low res sample. It's not fit for this. Only 5 samples are adequate. You can see that in Davidki's Global 25 spreadsheet.
    And on K13, these are them. They don't score more than 44% East Med, and that's before extracting the West Asian and Red Sea.

    Code:
    I0070_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp,8.26,0.00,36.65,8.59,41.54,4.71,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.25,0.00,0.00
    I0071_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp,9.32,0.00,36.96,7.70,41.32,4.45,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.25,0.00,0.00
    I0073_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp,8.10,0.00,39.75,7.43,44.19,0.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    I0074_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp,7.12,0.00,38.22,7.49,43.48,3.08,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.60,0.00,0.00
    I9005_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp,13.38,0.00,35.43,8.11,38.53,4.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00

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