Alan - DA161 Gedmatch - Q-L330

[War Chef]

This sample is Ossetian. They supposed to be Alanic.
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 48.42
2 East_Med 17.19
3 Baltic 10.81
4 West_Med 7.81
5 North_Atlantic 4.56
6 Siberian 4.47
7 Red_Sea 2.07
8 South_Asian 1.26
9 Oceanian 1.19
10 East_Asian 0.89
11 Sub-Saharan 0.59
12 Amerindian 0.45
13 Northeast_African 0.28

11% Baltid, 5% Atlantic = 16% Andronovo proto-Iranoid.
The best of the best warrior genetics.

[xripkan]

It seems Alans were already different than the other Sarmatians before their arrival in Europe. I didn't expect that.

[Noble Cuman]

11% Baltid, 5% Atlantic = 16% Andronovo proto-Iranoid.
The best of the best warrior genetics.

This sample also has 6 East Eurasian.

[vbnetkhio]

It seems Alans were already different than the other Sarmatians before their arrival in Europe. I didn't expect that.

i think all these are medieval samples, already mixed with Caucasians.

[xripkan]

i think all these are medieval samples, already mixed with Caucasians.

I know that but Alan sample Kaspias posted has extra Turkic admixture. Using mixed mode oracle with 2 modern pops we get
79.7% Azeri_Dagestan + 20.3% Evenk 0.0481

If we exclude the local Caucasian input the rest is Central Asian Turkic ( ancient Iranic + East Eurasian)
Sarmatians on the other hand are modelled as Finno-Ugric+Iranic


Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
Distance: 1.8566% / 0.01856572
58.2 RUS_Mezhovskaya
41.8 TKM_IA

Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe
Distance: 1.9842% / 0.01984171
56.4 RUS_Mezhovskaya
43.6 TKM_IA

[Zoltan]

According to Vladimir Gurjanov, this pattern is Q-L332 and a distant relative of the Hungarian Jász Q-BZ3950.
"DA161 Q-L330 Q1-L330 ERS2374384 катакомбники/аланы 7(6-8) век н.э. Архонский, 1500-1100 BP Y5261 (Q-L330), Y18330 (Q-L332)"

[Kaspias]

According to Vladimir Gurjanov, this pattern is Q-L332 and a distant relative of the Hungarian Jász Q-BZ3950.
"DA161 Q-L330 Q1-L330 ERS2374384 катакомбники/аланы 7(6-8) век н.э. Архонский, 1500-1100 BP Y5261 (Q-L330), Y18330 (Q-L332)"

It is negative for L332 according to what has been stated in the supplementary information. So, three possible clade here:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP1102/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-BZ180/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-Y18330*/ (Basal)

If yfull hopefully answers my mails, we will see.

[Zoltan]

YP1102 and BZ180 cannot be. Can only be Q-Y18330 and L332. If you know it has become negative for L332 then only Q-Y18330 will remain.

[vbnetkhio]

I know that but Alan sample Kaspias posted has extra Turkic admixture. Using mixed mode oracle with 2 modern pops we get
79.7% Azeri_Dagestan + 20.3% Evenk 0.0481

If we exclude the local Caucasian input the rest is Central Asian Turkic ( ancient Iranic + East Eurasian)
Sarmatians on the other hand are modelled as Finno-Ugric+Iranic


Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
Distance: 1.8566% / 0.01856572
58.2 RUS_Mezhovskaya
41.8 TKM_IA

Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe
Distance: 1.9842% / 0.01984171
56.4 RUS_Mezhovskaya
43.6 TKM_IA

do you think Sarmatians originated from Turkmenistan, or this is just a proxy for something?

[Dr_Maul]

do you think Sarmatians originated from Turkmenistan, or this is just a proxy for something?

TKM_IA is just a proxy for early Iranic speakers