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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Actually, surname Bošnjak is almost exclusively Croatian. It denotes somebody with roots from Bosnia. Muslims have it very rarely.
    I guess Turković is in reality just Bosniak. But can they have Balkan Turk or even Anatolian Turk ancestry? I am not sure.

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    When I say modern far right I mean young people, 18-30 years old who don't have big or any influence in politics. Middle age and older far right/nationalists is entirely different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noble Cuman View Post
    I guess Turković is in reality just Bosniak. But can they have Balkan Turk or even Anatolian Turk ancestry? I am not sure.
    One Croatian guy from Lika is R1a-Z93, and he has Muslim-sounding surname. Descendant of Muslims who converted on Catholicism in late 17th century, probably with Anatolian or Tatar paternal line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul View Post
    Why tho? Croatia was barely even Ottoman
    why? because they are normal people,with a muslim minority and their neighbour is a muslim majority country...why not? only serbs are sickos,,,but thats why their country is only getting smaller
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    I bet this thread will reach at least 20 pages

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    Old type of nationalists are centered around political parties like HSP and it's variations. But new generation nationalists have little in common with them.
    I don't belong to any of these 2 cliques, my ideology is not fully fitting either of the 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurrem sultana View Post
    why? because they are normal people,with a muslim minority and their neighbour is a muslim majority country...why not? only serbs are sickos,,,but thats why their country is only getting smaller
    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    To answer the OP: days of islamophilia are long gone. Modern day Croatian far right is very anti-Islamic, more than anti-Serb in fact.
    We have two types of right wingers: old guard who is highly Serbophobic, cherishes NHD and Ustaše and many do see Bosniaks as Croats and have Islamic sympathises. Younger generations call them boomers lost in place and time.

    Young Croatian right wing is very close to European identiterians, their main focus are migrants and they are far less obsessed with Serbs than previous generations. They are very anti-Bosniak and anti-Islam, but most are not very religious. Those are also occupied with things like white race which wasn't focus of old nationalists at all. They are also more connected with other Euro nationalists (even Serbs) and less strictly Croatian/Balkan centric.

    So, modern Croatian right wing is not Islamophilic. Old one perhaps was, but not entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noble Cuman View Post
    Some Croats and Serbs have surnames like Bošnjak, Turkovic and more. This can mean they have Muslim ancestor. I just wanted to say. Because I met some people with these surnames.
    It can mean but it doesn't have to mean at the same time. I bet in Lika for example muslim sounding surnames (osmanovic etc) in most cases implies muslim ancestor. But there are instances when surnames were changed (going by church records) and no reason is known why except that they were changed by a male member. There are instances when surname was changed and the reason is known (i.e. man got land that belonged to muslim and was nicknamed). Back then you could have spoken few sentences of turkish and you would have beeen called turk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    We think of Croats as basically like other standard Europeans

    We think of Serbs as something savage like cossaks or Hulagu Khan
    Thank you for the compliment.

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    Insuperable for example would be good fit for new generation right winger/identitarian, except his Balkan orientation as new generation nationalists are focused on Visegrad 4 rather than Yugosphere.

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