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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Could be founder effect/bottleneck when it comes to YDNA. You claimed they were literal Albanians which is wrong. Brda Montenegrins are just as mixed with Albos but you never call them that because they are Serb nationalists.
    Sandžak Bosniaks are south Slavs.
    On Pešter plateau in some villages still exist some older Muslim people who know Albanian language. Pešter was colonized by Kelmendis in 18th century who were Catholics when they arrived, but converted on Islam few decades later.
    I posted y dna of Sandžakians in one of previous posts, basic Slavic haplos I2a-Din and R1a are only about 15%.
    I have seen statistic for Montenegrin/Serbian Brđani and they are 32% I2a-Din, 30% E-V13 and few % more R1a than Sandžakians who are 3% R1a.
    Some Albanian user once here said that Sandžakians are mostly created by mixing of islamized Albo men and islamized Slavic women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    On Pešter plateau in some villages still exist some older Muslim people who know Albanian language. Pešter was colonized by Kelmendis in 18th century who were Catholics when they arrived, but converted on Islam few decades later.
    I posted y dna of Sandžakians in one of previous posts, basic Slavic haplos I2a-Din and R1a are only 14-15%.
    I have seen statistic for Montenegrin/Serbian Brđani and they are 32% I2a-Din, 30% E-V13 and few % more R1a than Sandžakians who are 3% R1a.
    Some Albanian user once here said that Sandžakians are mostly created by mixing of islamized Alba men and islamized Slavic women.
    To me it doesn't seem Sandžak Bosniak ydna has lot of diversity, thus could be it spread from few men fathering many sons. Similar to west Herzegovina Croats I2-din.
    Brda non majority E-V13? I find that hard to believe.

    These are Brda clans: Vasojevići, Bjelopavlići, Piperi, Kuči, Bratonožići, Morača and Rovca
    Almost none of main tribes are I2-din

    Some Serbs seem to do everything they can to decrease E-V13 percentage among them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    On Pešter plateau in some villages still exist some older Muslim people who know Albanian language. Pešter was colonized by Kelmendis in 18th century who were Catholics when they arrived, but converted on Islam few decades later.
    I posted y dna of Sandžakians in one of previous posts, basic Slavic haplos I2a-Din and R1a are only about 15%.
    I have seen statistic for Montenegrin/Serbian Brđani and they are 32% I2a-Din, 30% E-V13 and few % more R1a than Sandžakians who are 3% R1a.
    Some Albanian user once here said that Sandžakians are mostly created by mixing of islamized Albo men and islamized Slavic women.
    Sandzaklians are certainly part Albanian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insuperable View Post
    Sandzaklians are certainly part Albanian.
    What about you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    Who? Croats?
    Probably what Teutone would do in Iran. And give kisses as greeting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    To me it doesn't seem Sandžak Bosniak ydna has lot of diversity, thus could be it spread from few men fathering many sons. Similar to west Herzegovina Croats I2-din.
    Brda non majority E-V13? I find that hard to believe.

    These are Brda clans: Vasojevići, Bjelopavlići, Piperi, Kuči, Bratonožići, Morača and Rovca
    Almost none of main tribes are I2-din

    Some Serbs seem to do everything they can to decrease E-V13 percentage among them.
    Vasojevići, Bjelopavlići and Kuči are E-V13 (with tiny minority R1a in Kuči), Bratonožići are Q, Piperi are R1b-BY611 with I2a minority, Moračani-Bogićevci are R1b-U152, Rovčani are I2a.

    I checked on the tabele of Serbian dna project for Brda region, currently there is 200 samples. There is 68 I2a, 56 E-V13, 22 R1b, 14 R1a, 11 I1, 7 J2, 6 Q etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    What about you?
    Annoying skank ... just because Montenegrins and Sandzaklians are genetically similar doesn't mean they are the same. Same case with AJ and Southern Italians or Greek Islanders. But okay, I am part Albanian like Sandzaklians are. Happy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insuperable View Post
    Annoying skank ... just because Montenegrins and Sandzaklians are genetically similar doesn't mean they are the same. Same case with AJ and Southern Italians/Greek Islanders. But okay, I am part Albanian like Sandzaklians are. Happy?
    But you look Croatian hehehe.

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    Who are you closest to on updated Vahaduo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insuperable View Post
    Sandzaklians are certainly part Albanian.
    Yes.

    Video about older people from Pešter pateau who still know Albanian, who have bosniakized surnames and whose descendants declared themselves as Bosniaks https://youtu.be/2PPx9diQKs0?t=611

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