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    BTW, only South Aukštaitija had many (several dozen) Slavic-shifted samples.

    Other regions had between several (East Aukštaitija & Kaunas area) and zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    BTW, only South Aukštaitija had many (several dozen) Slavic-shifted samples.-UO

    Other regions had between several (East Aukštaitija & Kaunas area) and zero.
    this is the clustering according to PAST-classical-UPGMA (i named the clusters)


    sample list:

    Baltic VK432_Sweden_Gotland_
    Baltic VK439_Sweden_Gotland_
    Baltic VK434_Sweden_Gotland_
    Baltic VK478_Sweden_Gotland_
    Baltic VK531_Norway_Troms_5001A_LNBA_
    Baltic VK421_Norway_Nor_South_
    Baltic VK463_Sweden_Gotland_
    Baltic VK395_Sweden_Skara_
    Baltic VK471_Sweden_Gotland_
    Baltic VK475_Sweden_Gotland_
    Baltic VK458_Sweden_Gotland_
    Baltic VK160_Russia_Kurevanikha_
    Baltic VK139_Denmark_Funen_
    Baltic VK459_Sweden_Gotland_
    Baltic VK158_Russia_Pskov_

    Germanic+Baltic VK472_Sweden_Gotland_
    Germanic+Baltic VK464_Sweden_Gotland_
    Germanic+Baltic VK161_Russia_Kurevanikha_
    Germanic+Baltic VK461_Sweden_Gotland_
    Germanic+Baltic VK462_Sweden_Gotland_
    Germanic+Baltic VK21_Russia_Ladoga_
    Germanic+Baltic VK441_Sweden_Gotland_

    Slavic VK438_Sweden_Gotland_
    Slavic VK159_Russia_Pskov_
    Slavic VK212_Poland_Cedynia_
    Slavic VK457_Sweden_Gotland_
    Slavic VK60_Gotland_
    Slavic VK452_Sweden_Gotland_
    Slavic VK440_Sweden_Gotland_
    Slavic VK494_Poland_Sandomierz_
    Slavic VK309_Sweden_Skara_
    Slavic VK474_Sweden_Gotland_
    Slavic VK157_Poland_Bodzia_
    Slavic VK453_Sweden_Gotland_
    Slavic VK251_Sweden_Gotland_
    Slavic VK454_Sweden_Gotland_
    Slavic VK287_Denmark_Langeland_
    Slavic VK340_Denmark_Jutland_
    Slavic VK272_Russia_Gnezdovo_
    Slavic VK542_Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_
    Slavic VK541_Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_
    Slavic VK466_Russia_Gnezdovo_

    Germanic+Slavic VK17_Russia_Ladoga_
    Germanic+Slavic VK579_Oland_1099_1785/67_35_IronAge
    Germanic+Slavic VK154_Poland_Bodzia_
    Germanic+Slavic VK224_Russia_Gnezdovo_
    Germanic+Slavic VK367_Denmark_Langeland_
    Germanic+Slavic VK175_UK_Oxford_England_
    Germanic+Slavic VK539_Ukraine_Shestovitsa-8870-97_VikingAge_
    Germanic+Slavic VK342_Sweden_Oland_
    Germanic+Slavic VK354_Sweden_Oland_
    Germanic+Slavic VK408_Russia_Ladoga_
    Germanic+Slavic VK397_Sweden_Skara_
    Germanic+Slavic VK273_Russia_Gnezdovo_
    Germanic+Slavic VK156_Poland_Bodzia_
    Germanic+Slavic VK19_Russia_Ladoga_
    Germanic+Slavic VK443_Sweden_Oland_
    Germanic+Slavic VK153_Poland_Bodzia_
    Germanic+Slavic VK473_Sweden_Gotland_
    Germanic+Slavic VK155_Poland_Bodzia_
    Germanic+Slavic VK380_Sweden_Oland_
    Germanic+Slavic VK411_Denmark_Funen_
    Germanic+Slavic VK359_Sweden_Oland_
    Germanic+Slavic VK216_Denmark_Sealand_


    in your opinion, is any sample missing from the Slavic cluster, or wrongly assigned to it?

    are all Poland Bodzia samples local West Slavs/Poles of the time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Their K13 results (versions "a" are from Vadim Verenich's raw data files):

    Code:
    VK474a_Gotland,32.95,44.29,9.48,3.42,5.59,0.28,0.18,0,0.59,0.81,1.65,0,0.76
    VK474b_Gotland,32.28,44.68,9.18,3.35,4.51,1.29,0.69,0,0.09,1.28,1.64,0.09,0.92
    VK139a_Funen,26.17,50.28,9.09,1.44,7.49,0.38,0.21,0,0,2.11,0.94,0.55,1.33
    VK139b_Funen,25.63,50.09,9.35,2.17,6.5,0.68,0.72,0,0,1.96,0.79,0.78,1.32
    VK340a_Jutland,28.6,43.79,11.33,4.03,6.3,0.12,3.6,0,0.42,0.15,0,1.25,0.41
    VK340b_Jutland,29.18,44.17,9.8,5.06,6.3,0,3.49,0,0.44,0.16,0,1.41,0
    VK53a_Gotland,31.28,40.33,13.71,3.74,5.76,0.03,0,1.13,0.18,0.55,0.95,0.87,1.47
    VK53b_Gotland,30.83,40.93,14.13,3.56,5.24,0.14,0,1.23,0.74,0.14,0.85,0.41,1.79
    VK157a_Bodzia,37.32,44.98,8.77,0,1.21,4.22,0.7,0,0,0.78,0.85,0.6,0.57
    VK157b_Bodzia,35.83,43.49,9.43,1.67,1.64,3.4,0.81,0,0.16,1.16,0.98,0.18,1.25
    VK212a_Cedynia,29.2,49.4,8.82,5,2.13,0.2,1.77,0,1.04,0,0.24,1.79,0.42
    VK212b_Cedynia,29.02,49.77,9.02,4.57,2.56,0.12,1.19,0,1.16,0,0.25,1.76,0.58
    VK453a_Gotland,32.49,42.85,8.85,3.26,3.51,2.68,0,0,1.02,0,1.61,3.73,0
    VK453b_Gotland,30.73,45.34,8.5,3.69,2.57,2.78,0,0,1.13,0,1.59,3.68,0
    VK287a_Langeland,28.05,43.88,8.79,7.09,8,0,1.56,0.44,1.3,0.39,0.27,0.23,0
    VK287b_Langeland,27,44.27,9.39,7.46,7.63,0,1.66,0.21,1.37,0.47,0.49,0.06,0
    VK309a_Skara,31.83,50.02,9.09,2.12,1.75,2.95,0,0.55,0,0,0.97,0,0.71
    VK309b_Skara,32.09,49.05,9.46,2.78,1.47,2.71,0,0.41,0.1,0,1.19,0,0.72
    VK156a_Bodzia,34.65,43.28,9.62,3.13,5.11,0,0,0,0.81,2.01,0.98,0,0.4
    VK156b_Bodzia,35.34,42.47,8.82,3.62,5.03,0,0,0.31,1.36,1.9,0.91,0,0.23
    And VK160:

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    VK160a,27.84,53.35,7.03,2.29,2.52,1.95,0.6,2.04,0.52,0.54,0,0.81,0.51
    i marked these samples on the PCA:



    where is the VK53 sample from? it was posted on Anthrogenica? it isn't among the results Lucas posted here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...samples-in-K13

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    Quote Originally Posted by vbnetkhio View Post
    are all Poland Bodzia samples local West Slavs/Poles of the time?
    Not all of them but I think VK156 could be Slavic and VK139 as well.

    You can also see in your PCA that VK474 is inside of the Slavic cluster.

    Anyway, I'm not calling these people "Early Slavs" because they lived around 500 years after the Slavic expansion. I'm just calling them Medieval Slavs.

    Quote Originally Posted by vbnetkhio View Post
    where is the VK53 sample from? it was posted on Anthrogenica?
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Yes.
    could you post the k13 results of all of them?

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    Here you have the rest:

    Code:
    VK1,54.18,27.18,11.25,3.27,0,0,1.68,0.04,0.2,0.78,0.75,0.68,0
    VK101,46.36,24.55,12.37,8.67,1.61,0.92,1.27,0.99,0,1.51,0.97,0,0.77
    VK102,53.29,24.91,9.62,5.71,1.14,1.3,0.78,0.18,0.13,1.12,0.63,0,1.19
    VK108,47.56,31.94,7.54,7.85,1.06,0.09,1.06,0,0.02,1.7,0,0.88,0.3
    VK11,46.25,32.79,9.74,2.33,5,0.71,0.63,0,0,1.41,0,0,1.14
    VK110,54.29,21.1,11.57,7.09,1.54,0.26,1.6,1.12,0,0.48,0.36,0.58,0
    VK111,48.49,23.08,17.34,2.34,4.33,0.42,2.8,0,1,0.19,0,0,0
    VK113,55.12,21.97,13,2.37,0,0.64,4.28,0,0,1.27,1.36,0,0
    VK114,44.33,24.35,10.79,13.08,1.68,2.05,2.24,0,0,0,0,1.48,0
    VK116,61.1,28.62,0,0,0,8.23,0,0,0,0,2.05,0,0
    VK117,49.37,28.07,10.08,4.02,3.06,1.32,0.95,0.39,0,0.59,0.04,1.59,0.54
    VK118,48.28,22.49,14.14,3.58,5.27,3.15,0,0,2.17,0.19,0.45,0,0.28
    VK122,42.43,30.84,13.6,2.89,2.06,2.25,1.65,0.77,1.63,0.29,0.9,0,0.69
    VK123,46.52,24.04,13.01,5.58,5.22,0.52,1.31,0.21,1.28,1.41,0,0.92,0
    VK124,44.9,30.55,7.03,10.81,0.67,0,0,0,0.95,2.1,0.91,2.08,0
    VK125,40.73,34.1,0.86,5.26,0,16.43,0,0,0,2.34,0.28,0,0
    VK127,50.14,24.68,12.65,4.45,3.57,0,0.25,0,1.38,0.44,0.47,1.12,0.84
    VK128,49.01,29.31,11.5,2.72,0.45,1.93,0.27,0,1.23,1.43,1.11,0,1.05
    VK129,45.66,31.86,9.07,1.74,0,1.15,3.33,0,4.25,1.03,0.42,1.1,0.38
    VK133,56.49,29.06,6.91,0,2.49,0,1.92,0.32,0,0.75,0,2.07,0
    VK134,49.25,31.68,11.44,3.29,0.79,1.29,0,0.1,0.18,1.17,0.66,0,0.16
    VK135,75.63,7.95,4.77,5.72,1.13,0,0,0,0,4.79,0,0,0
    VK138,46.08,20.77,17.08,6.6,6.7,0.54,0,0,0,0,0.52,1.36,0.35
    VK14,52.7,28.47,9.7,1.3,0.83,0.12,1.12,0,0,2.23,0,3.54,0
    VK140,57.71,25.5,0,0,12.73,0,0.78,2.15,0,0,0.5,0,0.63
    VK141,50.81,32.29,7.86,3.15,0,0.7,3.54,0.02,0.12,0.26,0,0.2,1.06
    VK143,50.89,27.97,9,4.46,0.98,1.45,1.55,0.08,1.11,0.04,0.7,1.3,0.49
    VK144,44.25,30.31,8.37,0.58,10.48,0,1.15,0.09,0,1.05,1.14,0,2.59
    VK145,42.77,30.53,9.13,7.8,4.25,1.74,0,0.29,0.99,0.99,0.17,0.28,1.06
    VK146,34.93,18.54,21.21,8.94,11.06,0.84,1.85,0,0,1.07,0.36,0,1.21
    VK147,47.5,30.01,12.05,4.78,0,0.92,0.53,0.72,1.27,1.01,0,0,1.22
    VK148,45.17,28.03,18.04,0,0,0,1.69,0,0,3.47,0,0,3.59
    VK149,41.56,12.95,16.87,13.52,0,2.7,7.36,5.04,0,0,0,0,0
    VK15,48.97,25.31,12.39,4.36,2.23,1.22,1.55,0,0.74,1.01,1.59,0,0.63
    VK150,44.94,22.81,14.65,3.88,8.72,0.6,2.25,0,0.08,1.71,0.03,0.32,0
    VK151,53.32,27.69,6.24,6.37,0,0,2.1,0.95,0.47,0.92,0.58,0,1.37
    VK153,40.31,39.24,8.63,5.44,0,1.75,1.53,1,0.5,1.59,0,0,0
    VK154,39.81,44.25,7.38,3.25,0,0.56,0.58,1.05,0,1.89,0,0,1.25
    VK155,36.91,39.28,11.88,5.76,0,1.34,1.57,0,0,2.62,0.39,0,0.25
    VK158,18.83,51.37,18.95,4.8,0,1.32,0,2.59,0.87,1.27,0,0,0
    VK159,29.21,50.4,7.62,2.73,4.28,0.03,2.31,0,0,1.78,0.56,1.08,0
    VK16,45.99,27.2,8.24,0.05,7.44,3.12,2.17,0.83,1.72,1.27,0,1.97,0
    VK160,27.84,53.35,7.03,2.29,2.52,1.95,0.6,2.04,0.52,0.54,0,0.81,0.51
    VK161,33.05,53.14,0,0,3.86,7.43,0,0,0,0.47,0.75,1.29,0
    VK163,47.34,33.57,13.67,0,0,3.22,0,0,0,0,1.02,1.18,0
    VK164,0,63.3,8.72,27.76,0,0.23,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    VK165,49.32,28.85,10.09,4.68,0,0.48,0.01,1.71,2.01,0.62,0.95,0,1.27
    VK166,43.29,25.5,15.75,4.15,5.72,0.96,0.88,2.76,0,0.03,0.81,0.15,0
    VK167,48.97,31.8,6.41,3.8,2.36,1.45,1.62,0.85,0,1.79,0.36,0.61,0
    VK168,53.95,27.31,10.48,2.16,0,0.06,2.71,1.1,0.33,0.57,0,0,1.34
    VK17,42.25,44.06,6.97,0,2.1,0,0,0,2.75,0,0.12,0,1.75
    VK170,46.81,30.37,11.09,3.81,0,0,2.62,0,1.85,1.99,0.03,0.77,0.66
    VK171,52.35,19.78,12.87,11.14,0,0,0,1.97,0,0,0.02,1.86,0
    VK172,50.88,29.73,7.21,2.68,4.12,0,3.16,0,0.17,1.3,0,0,0.74
    VK173,49.78,26.08,13.81,3.34,0.38,2.08,1.76,0.49,0.26,0.95,0,0,1.06
    VK174,47.6,28.95,11.46,5.53,0.3,0,2.93,0.63,0.64,0.27,1.14,0.08,0.45
    VK175,47.11,37.93,5.93,3.16,1.17,0,0,0,1.08,1.03,0,1.6,0.99
    VK176,47.28,31.5,8.63,3.98,0,2.35,1.07,0,1.21,1.17,0.45,0.69,1.67
    VK177,45.69,22.51,18.36,7.61,0.97,0,0.12,1.07,1.06,0,0.53,0.69,1.38
    VK178,47.25,24.79,13.2,4.1,2.76,1.51,2.86,0,0,2.03,0,0.16,1.34
    VK179,50.23,27.91,9.69,6.36,0,0,1.34,0.29,2,0.69,0.12,0.45,0.92
    VK18,42.38,40.54,7.09,1.57,0,0,1.48,0.05,3.91,0.4,0.75,1.12,0.7
    VK180,45.16,27.17,13.03,0,0,0,4.1,0,5.12,5.42,0,0,0
    VK182,34.81,31.58,8.63,7.86,11.3,1.16,1.09,0,0,0,1.71,1.86,0
    VK183,53.72,25.85,9.38,4.11,0,4.02,0.16,0.35,0.7,1.57,0,0.15,0
    VK184,49.89,27.37,10.11,7.05,0,0,0.32,0,2.28,0.38,0.67,0.64,1.3
    VK185,72.49,26.1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1.41,0,0
    VK186,50.71,28.74,11.76,4.43,0,0.58,0,0.59,0.49,0,1,0,1.7
    VK187,47.8,25.68,13.1,2.56,5.08,0,0,0.17,2.73,0.1,0.75,1.27,0.76
    VK189,48.91,27.74,9.4,2.81,0.48,2.46,4.25,0,0.1,1.09,1.45,0,1.31
    VK19,34.34,39.61,10.32,6.6,3.07,0.21,0,1.01,1.15,1.68,0,0,2.01
    VK190,50.55,27.32,8.93,9.09,0,0,2.12,0,1.15,0.19,0,0,0.66
    VK191,45.78,25.55,13.07,5.71,0,0,4.56,0.14,0,4.58,0.62,0,0
    VK193,43.17,20.61,18.13,10.75,0.88,0,0,1.66,1.34,0.02,2.89,0.55,0
    VK196,44.14,29.28,13.09,0.86,0,0,7.05,2.86,1.27,0,0.62,0.81,0.03
    VK20,53.59,31.06,7.08,1.61,0,0,0,0,2.72,1.61,1.48,0.85,0
    VK200,31.65,33.04,6.09,0,11.08,9.41,0,0,0.85,7.87,0,0,0
    VK201,55.44,21.37,10.85,7.9,0.86,1.22,0.04,0,0,0.56,1.3,0.26,0.22
    VK202,52.74,21.46,14.53,4.31,0.3,0.49,2.71,0,0,2.07,0.34,0.15,0.91
    VK203,51.37,25.04,11.52,7.42,0,0.08,3.18,0,0.26,0,0.58,0,0.55
    VK204,53.28,26.87,8.59,7.06,0.52,0.88,0,2.01,0.18,0,0.42,0.2,0
    VK205,52.38,22.1,9.91,5.54,5.55,1.55,0,0,0.9,1.13,0.14,0.79,0
    VK206,35.45,37.6,0,8.57,12.16,0,0,0,6.23,0,0,0,0
    VK207,51.45,22.03,15.64,6.04,0.96,0.58,0.06,0,0.74,0.65,0.77,0.79,0.29
    VK208,57.13,11.44,17.81,9.62,0,0,0,0,0,1.01,0,0.45,2.54
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    VK57,41.11,20.16,19.66,4.44,10.21,0,1.35,1.72,0,0,0,1.34,0
    VK579,42.64,41.43,6.38,0,2.44,0,0,0,1.89,1.19,0.75,0,3.28
    VK58,53.26,26.13,8.86,5.26,1.89,1.6,0,0.7,0,0.67,0.29,0.58,0.77
    VK582,54.24,25.98,11.05,3.85,1.31,0,2.96,0,0.62,0,0,0,0
    VK6,48.68,25.58,10.94,2.9,7.6,1.67,1.2,0.49,0.1,0,0.38,0,0.48
    VK60,35.17,51.79,5.95,1.21,2.52,0,0.96,0,0,0.52,0.3,0.44,1.12
    VK63,42.02,23.83,15.87,11.31,0,4.38,1.36,1,0,0.06,0,0,0.17
    VK64,37.74,39.06,12.03,6.86,0,0,2.21,0,0.72,0.38,0,0.98,0
    VK65,46.93,21.37,18.79,0,7.29,1.42,1.76,0,0,1.5,0,0.93,0
    VK69,52.3,26.08,6.9,6.65,0,1.93,0,1.15,0,1.27,0.93,0,2.8
    VK70,52.29,23.74,12.54,6.47,0.3,0,0.81,1.13,0.06,1.05,0.67,0,0.94
    VK71,50.44,30.82,9.69,0.59,2.98,0,0,0,0,1.69,3.35,0,0.45
    VK74,42.44,0,4.53,0,32.82,9.59,0,0,0,0,0,0.35,10.26
    VK75,48.41,26.82,11.66,9.19,0,0,1.63,0,0.53,1.24,0.37,0.14,0
    VK76,36.34,20.56,0,0,29.9,1.99,0,0,4.85,1.03,5.33,0,0
    VK77,59.95,16.17,1.32,16.32,0,4.14,2.09,0,0,0,0,0,0
    VK78,55.4,17.72,7.15,11.26,0,0,0,0,0,6.42,0.52,0.53,0.99
    VK84,44.45,16.34,18.43,4.45,9.16,1.98,2.32,0.9,0,1,0.86,0.1,0
    VK86,31.68,36.63,4.71,0,9.28,0,0,13.79,0,0,3.91,0,0
    VK87,42.76,21.29,14.4,6.29,11.29,0.79,0,0.3,0.01,1.54,0.72,0.6,0
    VK9,56.72,27.87,7.95,3.98,0,0,0,0,0,1.5,1.15,0.83,0
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    Check these two more Early Slavs:

    Eurogenes K15 results for KRA011 and KRA001:

    Code:
    KRA011,21.91,17.57,30.99,21.24,4.26,1.03,0,0.26,0.03,0,0,0.48,1.02,0.93,0.28
    KRA001,22.96,11.65,29.91,20.10,7.48,4.74,0,0,1.46,0,0,0.65,0.57,0,0.49
    Eurogenes K13 results for KRA011 and KRA001:

    Code:
    KRA011,29.56,50.68,8.38,2.39,2.54,1.03,1.30,0.14,0,1.40,1.27,1.10,0.21
    KRA001,25.47,47.56,12.36,7.54,1.32,0,2.43,0.52,0.01,1.20,0.71,0.61,0.27

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    Third sample, KRA003 (years 1059-1223):

    Eurogenes K15:

    Code:
    KRA003,29.25,15.30,24.08,20.82,6.24,0,0,0.07,0,0.02,0.72,0.47,1.25,1.58,0.20
    Eurogenes K13:

    Code:
    KRA003,36.22,42.47,9.53,1.80,2.24,1.07,0.38,0.11,1.99,0.77,1.59,1.57,0.25

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