Slavs among Vikings

**vbnetkhio** · 10-11-2020, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Dušan

Is I1113_Bulgaria_MP_N_7983_ybp Thracian?

it seems so. it's labeled as neolithic, but it obvoiusly has some indo-European already, it's around 20% north atlantic and Baltic.

**Jana** · 10-11-2020, 06:29 PM

Try this, I saved samples from Vbnethkio old model which works great for Balkanites and added these from OP (except low quality samples).

Spoiler!

Code:

Iron_age_Balkan:I2175_Bulgaria_EBA_5122_ybp,25.65,9.85,35.91,0,25.77,1.7,0,0,0,0,0,1.11,0
Iron_age_Balkan:I2176_Bulgaria_EBA_published_5132_ybp,24.99,12.62,32.15,0,26.93,2.15,0,0,0.01,0.88,0,0.26,0
Iron_age_Balkan:I4332_Croatia_MBA_3516_ybp,30.68,13,27.73,10.03,16.07,0.6,0,1.05,0,0.21,0,0,0.64
Iron_age_Balkan:Bul6_Bulgaria_Beli_Breyag_EBA_4450_ybp,22.05,11.26,35.23,0.72,25.07,5.42,0,0,0,0,0.25,0,0
Iron_age_Balkan:I2165_Bulgaria_EBA_4908_ybp,30.55,21.81,20.01,8.06,12.49,5.56,0,0,0,0.17,1.35,0,0
Iron_age_Balkan:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp,24.62,3.48,30,9.21,28.33,4.36,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Iron_age_Balkan:I2520_Bulgaria_EBA_5132_ybp,23.15,16.12,30.59,0.13,25.02,3.53,0,0.35,0,0,1.12,0,0
Iron_age_Balkan:I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp,34.15,12.62,23.19,10.39,15.71,3.56,0,0,0.38,0,0,0,0
Iron_age_Balkan:I4331_Croatia_MBA_3526_ybp,33.68,12.02,24.41,7.67,19.6,1.39,0,0,0,1.23,0,0,0
Roman:R132_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,13.49,0,24.28,1.26,35.08,12.33,0,1.72,0.41,0,0.6,8.28,2.57
Roman:R80_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,15.29,0.52,23.55,5.43,37.6,11.68,0,0.2,0,0,0.26,4.42,1.06
Roman:R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,0.53,0,15.4,20.48,43.2,14.76,1.31,1.03,0,0,0,3.29,0
Roman:R1547_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,1.97,0,17.54,19.13,43.1,13.27,2.48,0,0,0,0,2.51,0
Roman:R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,2.93,0,17.45,22.44,37.8,13.78,2.1,0.71,0,0.02,0.31,2.45,0
Roman:R41_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,8.7,0,21.47,17.49,39.58,7.59,0.39,1.94,0,0.76,0.14,1.91,0.03
Roman:R67_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,1.11,0.88,12.12,32.7,36.78,9.27,3.73,0.37,0,0.32,0.39,1.9,0.44
Roman:R45_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.66,2.53,24.25,10.61,36.68,8.16,0,1.14,0,0,1.4,1.69,0.89
Roman:R70_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,3.21,2.28,19.34,21.39,41.91,10.3,0,0,0,0.19,0,1.38,0
Roman:R75_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,8.62,0,22.68,21.74,35.29,9.37,0,0.37,0,0.21,0.47,1.25,0
Roman:R73_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,11.96,1.16,19.72,17.3,34.38,11.41,2.22,0.01,0.03,0.19,0,1.21,0.41
Roman:R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,2.31,0,13.79,30.08,39.44,10.13,3.04,0,0,0,0,1.07,0.14
Roman:R1549_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,22.71,9.87,15.99,12.66,27.94,6.69,0.86,1.18,0,0,1.29,0.81,0
Roman:R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,3.62,3.3,16.77,23.96,38.85,10.18,1.73,0,0,0.82,0,0.77,0
Roman:R47_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,17.98,5.83,21.98,16.85,28.76,6.43,0,0,0.29,0.72,0.51,0.64,0
Roman:R1543_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,16.86,0.47,16.98,14.67,40.12,7.56,1.33,1.13,0,0.31,0,0.57,0
Roman:R49_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,16.25,8.08,21.47,16.31,31.17,4.53,0,0,0,0.2,1.31,0.53,0.15
Roman:R115_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,8.94,4.56,21.96,20.12,34.47,7.02,1.72,0.93,0,0,0,0.26,0
Roman:R125_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial,15.24,4.84,25.65,22.02,27.75,3.78,0,0,0,0,0.54,0.18,0
Roman:R1548_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,13.7,7.83,17.2,21.18,31.85,6.18,0.1,0,1.17,0,0.7,0.07,0.01
Roman:R835_Marche_Roman_Imperial,17.48,7.33,22.76,15.83,28.17,4.29,2.11,0,0,0.18,0.49,0,1.37
Roman:R50_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.8,5.92,19.69,18.96,31.66,8.21,1.77,0.13,0,0,0,0,0.87
Roman:R126_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial,6.85,0,21.95,22.6,37.03,8.91,0.98,0.75,0,0,0.22,0,0.71
Roman:R131_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,18.55,6.06,22.93,13.3,31.22,5.99,0,1.15,0,0.4,0,0,0.4
Roman:R38_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,1.92,0,18.71,28.11,41.51,8.68,0,0,0,0.45,0.34,0,0.28
Roman:R40_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,14.72,0,23,19.52,36.2,5.66,0,0.47,0.15,0,0,0,0.27
Roman:R111_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,25.73,7.27,26.59,13.06,25.7,1.65,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Roman:R113_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,25.73,4.01,26.05,11.36,28.27,3.92,0,0,0,0.46,0.2,0,0
Roman:R114_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,17.19,6.78,18.04,19.02,29.56,7.35,0.58,0.77,0,0.7,0,0,0
Roman:R123_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial,12.03,4.13,19.45,20.54,37.07,3.99,0,0.97,0,0,1.83,0,0
Roman:R128_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial,2.63,8.5,21.08,27.13,34.24,5.03,0,0,0,0.84,0.55,0,0
Roman:R1544_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,16.53,4.64,21.39,18.62,31.87,3.82,1.51,0,0.43,0.3,0.89,0,0
Roman:R1545_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,10.35,3.4,22.3,23.93,31.78,7.44,0.06,0,0,0,0.73,0,0
Roman:R1551_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,5.31,0,12.6,36.12,34.89,8.22,2.15,0.72,0,0,0,0,0
Roman:R39_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,9.38,2.57,24.97,19.78,34.82,5.66,0,1.74,0.29,0.78,0,0,0
Roman:R43_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.19,0,22.2,21.83,39.45,3.15,0.45,0,0,0.08,0.65,0,0
Roman:R44_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,14.45,0,23.48,18.04,38.86,5.16,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Roman:R51_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,20.47,1.28,20.11,15.05,34.89,5.56,0,0.17,0,0.59,1.88,0,0
Roman:R66_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,7.81,1.07,23.57,24.26,37.48,4.96,0,0,0,0,0.85,0,0
Roman:R69_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.48,4.41,24.55,22.98,33.7,0.54,0,0.59,0,0.5,0.25,0,0
Roman:R71_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,6.09,0.06,20.33,24.54,44.64,3.4,0,0,0,0,0.94,0,0
Roman:R72_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,10.24,0,22.92,19.04,41.2,5.12,0,0,0.57,0,0.91,0,0
Roman:R78_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,5.76,2.77,22.82,22.14,43.72,2.03,0,0.1,0,0.27,0.39,0,0
Roman:R81_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,11.54,2.43,22.21,17.14,39.17,4.79,1.98,0,0,0,0.74,0,0
Roman:R836_Marche_Roman_Imperial,17.9,4.35,25.43,19.62,29.98,1.61,0,0,0,0.28,0.83,0,0
Slavic:I4137_Czech_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_1235_ybp,30.89,37.94,12.04,8.95,5.72,0.86,0,0,2.09,0.47,0.11,0.93,0
Slavic:AV2_Hungary_Avar_daughter.or.mother.AV1_1356_ybp,30.22,47.46,11.05,4.34,3.01,0.41,0.55,0,1.56,0.94,0,0.46,0
Slavic:Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp,25.17,45.83,13.05,4.29,6.41,0.44,0,0.03,2.59,1.13,0.64,0.42,0
Slavic:AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp,29.17,40.22,11.71,8.24,7.15,0.06,1.56,0,0.48,0.97,0.27,0,0.17
Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK274,30.81,34.11,13.89,9.49,6.21,0.48,2.68,0.16,0.33,1.06,0,0,0.79
Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK287,27.47,45.26,8.62,7.09,7.54,0,1.5,0.79,1.13,0.21,0.21,0.16,0
Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Jutland_VK340,28.29,43.29,9.89,5.02,8.09,0,3.75,0,0.44,0.1,0,1.12,0
Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Jutland_VK339,30.19,38.31,4.19,7.6,13.21,0,0,0,0,0,2.03,2.99,1.47
Slavic:Viking_Poland_Cedynia_VK212,29.69,48.84,9.53,5.54,1.59,0,1.3,0,1.34,0,0.13,1.42,0.62
Slavic:Viking_Russia_Pskov_VK159,28.62,50.38,7.63,3.49,4.19,0,2.08,0,0,1.86,0.48,1.27,0
Slavic:Viking_Russia_Ladoga_VK19,34.33,39.57,9.56,6.08,4.86,0,0,1.29,0.94,1.44,0.09,0,1.85
Slavic:Viking_Russia_Gnezdovo_VK272,27.1,42.86,8.37,4.01,8.44,3.37,1.6,0,1.68,2.01,0,0,0.56
Slavic:Viking_Sweden_Gotland_VK454,25.59,45.53,14.97,2.7,4.74,0.3,0.73,2.49,0,0.34,1.21,1.4,0
Slavic:Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541,23.15,43.28,11.7,7.62,7.79,1.05,1.58,0,1.18,0.56,0.79,0,1.29
Slavic:Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542,22.48,43.78,10.72,8.56,9.14,0.26,0,0,1.64,0.82,0.98,0.73,0.87

I get fantastic fit!

Target: Stearsolina
Distance: 1.7975% / 1.79751284

77.8 Slavic
15.2 Iron_age_Balkan
7.0 Roman

This is first time I get such low fit without need for Germanic and Caucasus samples.

**Dušan** · 10-11-2020, 06:32 PM

Target: Dušan
Distance: 1.3992% / 1.39920409
69.2 Slavic
20.6 Roman
10.2 Iron_age_Balkan

**vbnetkhio** · 10-11-2020, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Try this, I saved samples from Vbnethkio old model which works great for Balkanites and added these from OP (except low quality samples).

Spoiler!

Code:

Iron_age_Balkan:I2175_Bulgaria_EBA_5122_ybp,25.65,9.85,35.91,0,25.77,1.7,0,0,0,0,0,1.11,0
Iron_age_Balkan:I2176_Bulgaria_EBA_published_5132_ybp,24.99,12.62,32.15,0,26.93,2.15,0,0,0.01,0.88,0,0.26,0
Iron_age_Balkan:I4332_Croatia_MBA_3516_ybp,30.68,13,27.73,10.03,16.07,0.6,0,1.05,0,0.21,0,0,0.64
Iron_age_Balkan:Bul6_Bulgaria_Beli_Breyag_EBA_4450_ybp,22.05,11.26,35.23,0.72,25.07,5.42,0,0,0,0,0.25,0,0
Iron_age_Balkan:I2165_Bulgaria_EBA_4908_ybp,30.55,21.81,20.01,8.06,12.49,5.56,0,0,0,0.17,1.35,0,0
Iron_age_Balkan:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp,24.62,3.48,30,9.21,28.33,4.36,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Iron_age_Balkan:I2520_Bulgaria_EBA_5132_ybp,23.15,16.12,30.59,0.13,25.02,3.53,0,0.35,0,0,1.12,0,0
Iron_age_Balkan:I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp,34.15,12.62,23.19,10.39,15.71,3.56,0,0,0.38,0,0,0,0
Iron_age_Balkan:I4331_Croatia_MBA_3526_ybp,33.68,12.02,24.41,7.67,19.6,1.39,0,0,0,1.23,0,0,0
Roman:R132_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,13.49,0,24.28,1.26,35.08,12.33,0,1.72,0.41,0,0.6,8.28,2.57
Roman:R80_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,15.29,0.52,23.55,5.43,37.6,11.68,0,0.2,0,0,0.26,4.42,1.06
Roman:R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,0.53,0,15.4,20.48,43.2,14.76,1.31,1.03,0,0,0,3.29,0
Roman:R1547_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,1.97,0,17.54,19.13,43.1,13.27,2.48,0,0,0,0,2.51,0
Roman:R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,2.93,0,17.45,22.44,37.8,13.78,2.1,0.71,0,0.02,0.31,2.45,0
Roman:R41_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,8.7,0,21.47,17.49,39.58,7.59,0.39,1.94,0,0.76,0.14,1.91,0.03
Roman:R67_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,1.11,0.88,12.12,32.7,36.78,9.27,3.73,0.37,0,0.32,0.39,1.9,0.44
Roman:R45_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.66,2.53,24.25,10.61,36.68,8.16,0,1.14,0,0,1.4,1.69,0.89
Roman:R70_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,3.21,2.28,19.34,21.39,41.91,10.3,0,0,0,0.19,0,1.38,0
Roman:R75_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,8.62,0,22.68,21.74,35.29,9.37,0,0.37,0,0.21,0.47,1.25,0
Roman:R73_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,11.96,1.16,19.72,17.3,34.38,11.41,2.22,0.01,0.03,0.19,0,1.21,0.41
Roman:R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,2.31,0,13.79,30.08,39.44,10.13,3.04,0,0,0,0,1.07,0.14
Roman:R1549_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,22.71,9.87,15.99,12.66,27.94,6.69,0.86,1.18,0,0,1.29,0.81,0
Roman:R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,3.62,3.3,16.77,23.96,38.85,10.18,1.73,0,0,0.82,0,0.77,0
Roman:R47_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,17.98,5.83,21.98,16.85,28.76,6.43,0,0,0.29,0.72,0.51,0.64,0
Roman:R1543_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,16.86,0.47,16.98,14.67,40.12,7.56,1.33,1.13,0,0.31,0,0.57,0
Roman:R49_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,16.25,8.08,21.47,16.31,31.17,4.53,0,0,0,0.2,1.31,0.53,0.15
Roman:R115_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,8.94,4.56,21.96,20.12,34.47,7.02,1.72,0.93,0,0,0,0.26,0
Roman:R125_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial,15.24,4.84,25.65,22.02,27.75,3.78,0,0,0,0,0.54,0.18,0
Roman:R1548_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,13.7,7.83,17.2,21.18,31.85,6.18,0.1,0,1.17,0,0.7,0.07,0.01
Roman:R835_Marche_Roman_Imperial,17.48,7.33,22.76,15.83,28.17,4.29,2.11,0,0,0.18,0.49,0,1.37
Roman:R50_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.8,5.92,19.69,18.96,31.66,8.21,1.77,0.13,0,0,0,0,0.87
Roman:R126_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial,6.85,0,21.95,22.6,37.03,8.91,0.98,0.75,0,0,0.22,0,0.71
Roman:R131_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,18.55,6.06,22.93,13.3,31.22,5.99,0,1.15,0,0.4,0,0,0.4
Roman:R38_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,1.92,0,18.71,28.11,41.51,8.68,0,0,0,0.45,0.34,0,0.28
Roman:R40_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,14.72,0,23,19.52,36.2,5.66,0,0.47,0.15,0,0,0,0.27
Roman:R111_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,25.73,7.27,26.59,13.06,25.7,1.65,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Roman:R113_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,25.73,4.01,26.05,11.36,28.27,3.92,0,0,0,0.46,0.2,0,0
Roman:R114_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,17.19,6.78,18.04,19.02,29.56,7.35,0.58,0.77,0,0.7,0,0,0
Roman:R123_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial,12.03,4.13,19.45,20.54,37.07,3.99,0,0.97,0,0,1.83,0,0
Roman:R128_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial,2.63,8.5,21.08,27.13,34.24,5.03,0,0,0,0.84,0.55,0,0
Roman:R1544_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,16.53,4.64,21.39,18.62,31.87,3.82,1.51,0,0.43,0.3,0.89,0,0
Roman:R1545_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,10.35,3.4,22.3,23.93,31.78,7.44,0.06,0,0,0,0.73,0,0
Roman:R1551_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,5.31,0,12.6,36.12,34.89,8.22,2.15,0.72,0,0,0,0,0
Roman:R39_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,9.38,2.57,24.97,19.78,34.82,5.66,0,1.74,0.29,0.78,0,0,0
Roman:R43_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.19,0,22.2,21.83,39.45,3.15,0.45,0,0,0.08,0.65,0,0
Roman:R44_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,14.45,0,23.48,18.04,38.86,5.16,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Roman:R51_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,20.47,1.28,20.11,15.05,34.89,5.56,0,0.17,0,0.59,1.88,0,0
Roman:R66_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,7.81,1.07,23.57,24.26,37.48,4.96,0,0,0,0,0.85,0,0
Roman:R69_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,12.48,4.41,24.55,22.98,33.7,0.54,0,0.59,0,0.5,0.25,0,0
Roman:R71_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,6.09,0.06,20.33,24.54,44.64,3.4,0,0,0,0,0.94,0,0
Roman:R72_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,10.24,0,22.92,19.04,41.2,5.12,0,0,0.57,0,0.91,0,0
Roman:R78_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,5.76,2.77,22.82,22.14,43.72,2.03,0,0.1,0,0.27,0.39,0,0
Roman:R81_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial,11.54,2.43,22.21,17.14,39.17,4.79,1.98,0,0,0,0.74,0,0
Roman:R836_Marche_Roman_Imperial,17.9,4.35,25.43,19.62,29.98,1.61,0,0,0,0.28,0.83,0,0
Slavic:I4137_Czech_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_1235_ybp,30.89,37.94,12.04,8.95,5.72,0.86,0,0,2.09,0.47,0.11,0.93,0
Slavic:AV2_Hungary_Avar_daughter.or.mother.AV1_1356_ybp,30.22,47.46,11.05,4.34,3.01,0.41,0.55,0,1.56,0.94,0,0.46,0
Slavic:Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp,25.17,45.83,13.05,4.29,6.41,0.44,0,0.03,2.59,1.13,0.64,0.42,0
Slavic:AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp,29.17,40.22,11.71,8.24,7.15,0.06,1.56,0,0.48,0.97,0.27,0,0.17
Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK274,30.81,34.11,13.89,9.49,6.21,0.48,2.68,0.16,0.33,1.06,0,0,0.79
Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK287,27.47,45.26,8.62,7.09,7.54,0,1.5,0.79,1.13,0.21,0.21,0.16,0
Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Jutland_VK340,28.29,43.29,9.89,5.02,8.09,0,3.75,0,0.44,0.1,0,1.12,0
Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Jutland_VK339,30.19,38.31,4.19,7.6,13.21,0,0,0,0,0,2.03,2.99,1.47
Slavic:Viking_Poland_Cedynia_VK212,29.69,48.84,9.53,5.54,1.59,0,1.3,0,1.34,0,0.13,1.42,0.62
Slavic:Viking_Russia_Pskov_VK159,28.62,50.38,7.63,3.49,4.19,0,2.08,0,0,1.86,0.48,1.27,0
Slavic:Viking_Russia_Ladoga_VK19,34.33,39.57,9.56,6.08,4.86,0,0,1.29,0.94,1.44,0.09,0,1.85
Slavic:Viking_Russia_Gnezdovo_VK272,27.1,42.86,8.37,4.01,8.44,3.37,1.6,0,1.68,2.01,0,0,0.56
Slavic:Viking_Sweden_Gotland_VK454,25.59,45.53,14.97,2.7,4.74,0.3,0.73,2.49,0,0.34,1.21,1.4,0
Slavic:Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541,23.15,43.28,11.7,7.62,7.79,1.05,1.58,0,1.18,0.56,0.79,0,1.29
Slavic:Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542,22.48,43.78,10.72,8.56,9.14,0.26,0,0,1.64,0.82,0.98,0.73,0.87

I get fantastic fit!

Target: Stearsolina
Distance: 1.7975% / 1.79751284

77.8 Slavic
15.2 Iron_age_Balkan
7.0 Roman

This is first time I get such low fit without need for Germanic and Caucasus samples.

Target: i
Distance: 1.2761% / 1.27613503
61.6 Slavic
23.4 Iron_age_Balkan
15.0 Roman

**Jana** · 10-11-2020, 06:35 PM

Works great, fit is extraordinary. I'm suprised how much Slavic I score.

**Benyzero** · 10-11-2020, 06:56 PM

Target: Benyzero
Distance: 1.5171% / 1.51712902
66.6 Slavic
33.4 Iron_age_Balkan

Distance to: Benyzero
8.45059761 Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK274
10.61409911 Slavic:I4137_Czech_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_1235_yb p
11.51487299 Slavic:AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp
12.80371821 Slavic:Viking_Russia_Ladoga_VK19
12.91711655 Iron_age_Balkan:I2165_Bulgaria_EBA_4908_ybp
14.44778184 Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Jutland_VK340
14.96243296 Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Jutland_VK339
15.28201885 Slavic:Viking_Russia_Gnezdovo_VK272
15.88653518 Slavic:Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541
16.66429416 Slavic:Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp
16.78005661 Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK287
16.85002374 Slavic:Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542
16.87636513 Slavic:Viking_Sweden_Gotland_VK454
18.56863754 Slavic:AV2_Hungary_Avar_daughter.or.mother.AV1_135 6_ybp
20.94810970 Slavic:Viking_Poland_Cedynia_VK212
22.14655052 Slavic:Viking_Russia_Pskov_VK159
22.18432104 Iron_age_Balkan:I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp
23.27392103 Iron_age_Balkan:I4332_Croatia_MBA_3516_ybp
23.35697968 Iron_age_Balkan:I4331_Croatia_MBA_3526_ybp
27.26609983 Iron_age_Balkan:I2520_Bulgaria_EBA_5132_ybp
30.52805267 Iron_age_Balkan:I2176_Bulgaria_EBA_published_5132_ ybp
31.02815979 Roman:R1549_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
32.08048160 Roman:R111_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
33.25279086 Iron_age_Balkan:Bul6_Bulgaria_Beli_Breyag_EBA_4450 _ybp
33.68105996 Iron_age_Balkan:I2175_Bulgaria_EBA_5122_ybp

**andre** · 10-11-2020, 07:17 PM

It’s quite impossible that i have ~55% slavic

Target: Andre
Distance: 0.8027% / 0.80274403
56.2 Slavic
27.0 Roman
16.8 Iron_age_Balkan

**vbnetkhio** · 10-11-2020, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by andre

It’s quite impossible that i have ~55% slavic

Target: Andre
Distance: 0.8027% / 0.80274403
56.2 Slavic
27.0 Roman
16.8 Iron_age_Balkan

maybe some of the Slav-Vikings aren't pure Slavs and have some southern admixture.

i would like to hear the opinion of other members.

**vbnetkhio** · 10-16-2020, 09:05 PM

after taking another look at the samples, i think only these represent proper proto-Slavs.
the more northern plotting Romanians, Serbs and Bosniaks are pulled strongly towards these exact samples:

Code:

Viking_Russia_Pskov_VK159,28.62,50.38,7.63,3.49,4.19,0.00,2.08,0.00,0.00,1.86,0.48,1.27,0.00
Viking_Denmark_Jutland_VK340,28.29,43.29,9.89,5.02,8.09,0.00,3.75,0.00,0.44,0.10,0.00,1.12,0.00
Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK287,27.47,45.26,8.62,7.09,7.54,0.00,1.50,0.79,1.13,0.21,0.21,0.16,0.00
Viking_Russia_Gnezdovo_VK272,27.10,42.86,8.37,4.01,8.44,3.37,1.60,0.00,1.68,2.01,0.00,0.00,0.56
Viking_Sweden_Gotland_VK454,25.59,45.53,14.97,2.70,4.74,0.30,0.73,2.49,0.00,0.34,1.21,1.40,0.00
Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp,25.17,45.83,13.05,4.29,6.41,0.44,0.00,0.03,2.59,1.13,0.64,0.42,0.00
Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541,23.15,43.28,11.70,7.62,7.79,1.05,1.58,0.00,1.18,0.56,0.79,0.00,1.29
Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542,22.48,43.78,10.72,8.56,9.14,0.26,0.00,0.00,1.64,0.82,0.98,0.73,0.87

Proto-Slav,25.98,45.03,10.62,5.35,7.04,0.68,1.41,0.41,1.08,0.88,0.54,0.64,0.34

these are early West and Pannonian Slavs, who probably picked up a western influence immediately after leaving the proto-Slavic homeland.

Code:

I4137_Czech_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_1235_ybp,30.89,37.94,12.04,8.95,5.72,0.86,0.00,0.00,2.09,0.47,0.11,0.93,0.00
AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp,29.17,40.22,11.71,8.24,7.15,0.06,1.56,0.00,0.48,0.97,0.27,0.00,0.17
AV2_Hungary_Avar_daughter.or.mother.AV1_1356_ybp,30.22,47.46,11.05,4.34,3.01,0.41,0.55,0.00,1.56,0.94,0.00,0.46,0.00
Viking_Poland_Cedynia_VK212,29.69,48.84,9.53,5.54,1.59,0.00,1.30,0.00,1.34,0.00,0.13,1.42,0.62

Early_West_Slav,29.99,43.62,11.08,6.77,4.37,0.33,0.85,0.00,1.37,0.60,0.13,0.70,0.20

this one is an outlier because of the high east med.
Viking_Denmark_Jutland_VK339,30.19,38.31,4.19,7.60 ,13.21,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.03,2.99,1.47

this one is probably an East Slavic + Scandinavian mix.
Viking_Russia_Ladoga_VK19,34.33,39.57,9.56,6.08,4. 86,0.00,0.00,1.29,0.94,1.44,0.09,0.00,1.85

edit:
i think this one is also too southern plotting to be an early Slav.
Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK274,30.81,34.11,13.89,9 .49,6.21,0.48,2.68,0.16,0.33,1.06,0.00,0.00,0.79

**Jana** · 10-16-2020, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

after taking another look at the samples, i think only these represent proper proto-Slavs.
the more northern plotting Romanians, Serbs and Bosniaks are pulled strongly towards these exact samples:

Code:

Viking_Russia_Pskov_VK159,28.62,50.38,7.63,3.49,4.19,0.00,2.08,0.00,0.00,1.86,0.48,1.27,0.00
Viking_Denmark_Jutland_VK340,28.29,43.29,9.89,5.02,8.09,0.00,3.75,0.00,0.44,0.10,0.00,1.12,0.00
Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK287,27.47,45.26,8.62,7.09,7.54,0.00,1.50,0.79,1.13,0.21,0.21,0.16,0.00
Viking_Russia_Gnezdovo_VK272,27.10,42.86,8.37,4.01,8.44,3.37,1.60,0.00,1.68,2.01,0.00,0.00,0.56
Viking_Sweden_Gotland_VK454,25.59,45.53,14.97,2.70,4.74,0.30,0.73,2.49,0.00,0.34,1.21,1.40,0.00
Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp,25.17,45.83,13.05,4.29,6.41,0.44,0.00,0.03,2.59,1.13,0.64,0.42,0.00
Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541,23.15,43.28,11.70,7.62,7.79,1.05,1.58,0.00,1.18,0.56,0.79,0.00,1.29
Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542,22.48,43.78,10.72,8.56,9.14,0.26,0.00,0.00,1.64,0.82,0.98,0.73,0.87

Proto-Slav,25.98,45.03,10.62,5.35,7.04,0.68,1.41,0.41,1.08,0.88,0.54,0.64,0.34

these are early West and Pannonian Slavs, who probably picked up a western influence immediately after leaving the proto-Slavic homeland.

Code:

I4137_Czech_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_1235_ybp,30.89,37.94,12.04,8.95,5.72,0.86,0.00,0.00,2.09,0.47,0.11,0.93,0.00
AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp,29.17,40.22,11.71,8.24,7.15,0.06,1.56,0.00,0.48,0.97,0.27,0.00,0.17
AV2_Hungary_Avar_daughter.or.mother.AV1_1356_ybp,30.22,47.46,11.05,4.34,3.01,0.41,0.55,0.00,1.56,0.94,0.00,0.46,0.00
Viking_Poland_Cedynia_VK212,29.69,48.84,9.53,5.54,1.59,0.00,1.30,0.00,1.34,0.00,0.13,1.42,0.62
Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK274,30.81,34.11,13.89,9.49,6.21,0.48,2.68,0.16,0.33,1.06,0.00,0.00,0.79

Early_West_Slav,30.16,41.71,11.64,7.31,4.74,0.36,1.22,0.03,1.16,0.69,0.10,0.56,0.32

this one is an outlier because of the high east med.
Viking_Denmark_Jutland_VK339,30.19,38.31,4.19,7.60 ,13.21,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.03,2.99,1.47

this one is probably an East Slavic + Scandinavian mix.
Viking_Russia_Ladoga_VK19,34.33,39.57,9.56,6.08,4. 86,0.00,0.00,1.29,0.94,1.44,0.09,0.00,1.85

Isn't AV2 strongly northeastern?