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With Iranism i meant that young people tend to Iranian culture like Zoroastrianism or whatever. Like Turks, young Iranians can’t understand why Iran is investing a lot if money to Middle Eastern wars although they had own issues.

About Turkism i agree,even in Turkey this isn’t important. You are either pseudo westerner or neo ottomanist, Panturkism doesn’t play any role of the political agenda of Akp/Chp. The nationalist parties are just a joke.

The appeal of the pre-Islamic past is a way and means for Iranians to condemn and distance themselves from the clerical regime in Iran. However, these movements are mostly supported by the diaspora communities whose concern are deviated and different from the Iranians inside Iran whose main concern are jobs, food, housing, etc.

But doesn't Pan Turksim have to an extent widespread appeal at least to some segments of Turks in Turkey. At least I was under the impression that it did.

I know Abulfaz Elchibey who was the 2nd president of Azerbaijan was a Pan Turkist.

During the cold war, the United States and the west openly promoted Pan Turkism among the former soviet Turkic people to create discord and instability.

[Ion Basescul]

How about relocating back to Iran if you like it so much? Nobody here lives there.

[Bender1999]

The appeal of the pre-Islamic past is a way and means for Iranians to condemn and distance themselves from the clerical regime in Iran. However, these movements are mostly supported by the diaspora communities whose concern are deviated and different from the Iranians inside Iran whose main concern are jobs, food, housing, etc.

But doesn't Pan Turksim have to an extent widespread appeal at least to some segments of Turks in Turkey. At least I was under the impression that it did.

I know Abulfaz Elchibey who was the 2nd president of Azerbaijan was a Pan Turkist.

During the cold war, the United States and the west openly promoted Pan Turkism among the former soviet Turkic people to create discord and instability.

After the Soviet occupation of Central Asia Panturkism died out there. Nowadays no one there would describe themselves as Turk and they hate each other. Before Communism many there described themselves as Turk and many supported Panturkism.
Beeing a Panturkist means you should at least know a bit about Turkic history and culture. Many nationalists even don’t know something about their own history. Your impression could be based on attempts of political groups which try to mix Turkic feelings inside their political agenda. For instance Chp and Akp: Chp uses Turkic feeling as tool against political islamism, anti arabism etc. Akp uses Turkic feeling as tool for showing power and propaganda. Both have antinationalistic, influential groups inside them, the government is often misunderstood as nationalistic although it is „just“ panislamist, Erdogan insults nearly every country but is silent about Uyghurs. Chp is another case, a party which is lovemaking with a terrorist party can’t be nationalistic but there are conflict between them and Chp members which are criticizing this policy.

The case with Azerbaijan is different. Anatolian and Azerbaijani Turks aren’t different people, they hadn’t any unification process and were for centuries enemies. This rivalry was found on religion and power struggle, you must know Turks always dispute with each other. Elçibey was a great men but unfortunately naive too. He thought Turkey still had a Panturkist agenda, but he hadn’t and has not.

[Babak]

Why would we be associated with Iran though

Bro, kurds are culturally iranic and speak an iranic language. It would make sense to identify them with Iran tbh. With that said though, a few iraqi kurds that I used to work with even claimed kurdish isn't an iranic language lol. I even over heard them asking what the time is in kurdish and once i replied in persian, they gave me a death stare. Brainwashed to the core.