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    People should try to build robust economic links in their region, these isms are mostly wet dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyp View Post
    Similar to Turkey Iran is currently only trying to strengthen it's influence in the arabic world, despite being overwhelmingly hated by the arab world. At least the Turks are liked by the arabs...

    Pan-Iranism is not existent currently and remains a wet dream.
    Focus of Pan-Iranism should be Central Asia, and not to the west (imo)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyp View Post
    Similar to Turkey Iran is currently only trying to strengthen it's influence in the arabic world, despite being overwhelmingly hated by the arab world. At least the Turks are liked by the arabs...

    Pan-Iranism is not existent currently and remains a wet dream.
    The policy of a government doesn’t reflect often the mood of the people. I know Iranians who are very unhappy about foreign policy of Mullahs, many sympathize with Iranism, the same counts for Turks. Our German Turks are very proud of neo ottoman policy of Erdogan, they live in their own unrealistic world, Turks in Turkey hate Arabs, but also there Panturkism is death and haven’t any importance in politics, many even don’t care about Azerbaijan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul View Post
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    The same with me, i really sympathize with Panturkism, but i am really careful with challenging of borders or ethnic identities. I know Turkics with same culture who don’t describe themselves as Turk(ic) or assimilated Turk(ics) who are identifying themselves as another people now. I am not authorized to force them accepting Turkish identity. People feel associated with people who share the same/related culture, history, language etc, thats normal and imo thats a good thing. But we should be realistic, i have more common with Persians than with Yakuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borealis View Post
    Target: Azeri
    Distance: 0.6220% / 0.00622009
    48.2 Armenian
    30.2 Iranian_Zoroastrian
    20.2 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
    1.4 Abkhasian


    Target: Azeri_Turkey
    Distance: 1.8178% / 0.01817798
    54.4 Armenian
    25.4 Iranian_Zoroastrian
    17.8 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
    2.4 Abkhasian

    Target: Azeri_Dagestan
    Distance: 1.7655% / 0.01765503
    51.2 Iranian_Zoroastrian
    31.2 Abkhasian
    11.8 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
    5.8 Armenian


    Target: Iranian_Fars
    Distance: 0.9008% / 0.00900795
    87.8 Iranian_Zoroastrian
    7.4 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
    4.8 Armenian


    I don't know where these Azeris are from. Whether they're from the republic of Azerbaijan or Iran can make a difference because we can see clear differences between Dagestani Azeris and Turkish ones. Iranian Azeris may be more Persian shifted. They look no more Turkic than regular Persians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...n_Azerbaijanis
    "Azeri" is made out of Azerbaijan Rep (n=9) and Iran(n=10). Dagestan Azerbaijanis seem to be a mix between Azerbaijanis and Lezgins.

    My father (Iranian Azerbaijani 75% + Persian 25%) with the same model :

    Target: FatherKyp_scaled
    Distance: 1.8909% / 0.01890898
    42.0 Iranian_Zoroastrian
    28.6 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
    26.4 Armenian
    3.0 Abkhasian
    Last edited by Kyp; 10-12-2020 at 09:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bender1999 View Post
    The same with me, i really sympathize with Panturkism, but i am really careful with challenging of borders or ethnic identities. I know Turkics with same culture who don’t describe themselves as Turk(ic) or assimilated Turk(ics) who are identifying themselves as another people now. I am not authorized to force them accepting Turkish identity. People feel associated with people who share the same/related culture, history, language etc, thats normal and imo thats a good thing. But we should be realistic, i have more common with Persians than with Yakuts.
    Yes, and in a way it is beneficial for the other people too. Because in my opinion, in "Pan-Iran", non-Persian iranics would pretty much be second class citizens. Same thing with Turan, I think non-Oghuz would become marginalized as the center would absolutely be in Turkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bender1999 View Post
    I am sick if it reading this kind of sentences, Azerbaijanis are between 15-30% Turkic, that is the same amount of Iranic dna which most Iranics have. Denying their ethnic identity is disrespectful and wrong too.
    Saying that Azeris are Turkified NW Iranians is like saying that NW Iranians were Iranicized Manneans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul View Post
    Focus of Pan-Iranism should be Central Asia, and not to the west (imo)
    Yes and online Pan-Iranists seem to only be focused on making Azerbaijanis "Iranic", while giving a s*** about other Iranic actually Iranian speaking people to the East..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borealis View Post
    Target: Azeri
    Distance: 0.6220% / 0.00622009

    I don't know where these Azeris are from. Whether they're from the republic of Azerbaijan or Iran can make a difference because we can see clear differences between Dagestani Azeris and Turkish ones. Iranian Azeris may be more Persian shifted. They look no more Turkic than regular Persians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...n_Azerbaijanis
    Iran Khorasan itself has Turkic influence, Dagestani Azerbaijanis are heavily intermixed/assimilated Caucasians. This calculators can confuse. Just for example Republic Azerbaijanis are between 5-10% eats eurasian. Less than 5%(especially Dagestan and Caspian sea(Iran border region)) and over 10%(specific subgroups) can be found. So the Turkic Dna can range between less than 10%(no worth mentioning) to around 30%. I don’t understand why people use for some people modern proxy but for them early Turkic references.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyp View Post
    Yes and online Pan-Iranists seem to only be focused on making Azerbaijanis "Iranic", while giving a s*** about other Iranic actually Iranian speaking people to the East..
    unfortunately

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borealis View Post
    Target: Azeri
    Distance: 0.6220% / 0.00622009
    48.2 Armenian
    30.2 Iranian_Zoroastrian
    20.2 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
    1.4 Abkhasian


    Target: Azeri_Turkey
    Distance: 1.8178% / 0.01817798
    54.4 Armenian
    25.4 Iranian_Zoroastrian
    17.8 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
    2.4 Abkhasian

    Target: Azeri_Dagestan
    Distance: 1.7655% / 0.01765503
    51.2 Iranian_Zoroastrian
    31.2 Abkhasian
    11.8 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
    5.8 Armenian


    Target: Iranian_Fars
    Distance: 0.9008% / 0.00900795
    87.8 Iranian_Zoroastrian
    7.4 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
    4.8 Armenian


    I don't know where these Azeris are from. Whether they're from the republic of Azerbaijan or Iran can make a difference because we can see clear differences between Dagestani Azeris and Turkish ones. Iranian Azeris may be more Persian shifted. They look no more Turkic than regular Persians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...n_Azerbaijanis
    I seperated the Azeri samples:
    Code:
    Azeri_Azerbaijan,0.0921966,0.0893664,-0.0487742,-0.0405903,-0.0349124,-0.0063836,0.0040733,-0.0035896,-0.028997,-0.0091523,-0.004186,-0.0009326,0.0017013,-0.0021257,0.0026843,0.0064674,-0.0005504,0.0010699,0.0017738,-0.003974,-0.0012617,0.0002337,-0.0012872,-0.0008169,0.000612
    Azeri_Iran,0.0921965,0.0889604,-0.0499307,-0.0406334,-0.0373299,-0.003263,0.0045355,-0.0040612,-0.0276312,-0.0103146,0.0003084,0.0003898,-0.0000743,-0.0009083,0.0005294,0.0023998,-0.0044332,0.0013557,0.0021493,-0.0057151,0.0006862,-0.0021517,-0.0011463,-0.0036029,0.0011376
    Target: Azeri_Azerbaijan n=9
    Distance: 0.7552% / 0.00755220
    50.2 Armenian
    28.8 Iranian_Zoroastrian
    20.6 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
    0.4 Abkhasian

    Target: Azeri_Iran n=10
    Distance: 0.8364% / 0.00836427
    46.2 Armenian
    31.4 Iranian_Zoroastrian
    19.8 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
    2.6 Abkhasian

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