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    Default Recent theories on the ancestry of Columbus.

    What do think about the recent theories that Columbus was Portuguese? That he was born of the Duke of Beja (spell check)
    and a Jewish woman last name Zargas or something like that in Cuba Portugal? And that all of the names of the islands he named in the Caribbean were names of areas in Portugal.
    Long Doc over an hour on the topic.

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    Interesting video, thanks for sharing. In the video they speak about having his DNA but say they need a close relative to draw any conclusions. I think seeing where he plots would be more than enough.

    There are indeed some conspiracy theories here. For example, this book came out recently:



    On the other hand, there are plenty of historians that claimed he was genoese, including my the one on my username:

    Many contemporary writers agree that the discoverer was Genoese:[3][6]

    The Portuguese Rui de Pina wrote two works, Chronica d'El Rey, dom Affonso and Chronica d'El Rey, dom Joăo II. It has been ascertained that the manuscripts had been completed before 1504, although they were published in the Eighteenth century. Chapter 66 in the second manuscript, "Descubrimiento das Ilhas de Castella per Collombo," explicitly states, "Christovan Colombo italiano."
    In the 1513 edition of the Map of the New World from Ptolemy,[20] it says: "This land with the adjacent islands was discovered by the Genoese Columbus, sent by the King of Castile."
    The Turkish geographer Piri Ibn Haji Mehmed, known as Piri Reis, in his map of 1513, writes: "These coasts are called the coasts of the Antilles. They were discovered in the year 896 of the Arabic calendar. It is said that a Genoese infidel, Columbus by name, discovered the place."[nb 11]
    Hernando Alonso de Herrera, in his anti-Aristotelian dissertation, completed in Salamanca in 1516, and published in Latin and Spanish, wrote: "Xristoval Colon ginoves."
    In a Portuguese map of 1520,[nb 12] it is said: "Land of the Antipodes of the King of Castile, discovered by Christopher Columbus Genoese."
    The German Peter von Bennewitz writes, in 1520, in the Typus Orbis Universalis:[22] "In the year 1497 (sic) this land (America) with the adjacent islands was discovered by Columbus, a Genoese by mandate of the King of Castile."
    The German Johannes Schöner states in the Globus of 1520:[23] "This (island) produces gold, mastic, aloes, porcelain, etc. and ginger — Latitude of the island 440 miles — Longitude 880 — discovered by Christopher Columbus Genoese, captain of the King of Castile in the year of Our Lord 1492."
    The Spaniard Francisco López de Gómara writes:[24] "Christopher Columbus was originally from Cogurreo or Nervi, a village of Genoa, a very famous Italian city."
    The Portuguese Garcia de Resende, poet and editor, writes:[25] "Christouao Colombo, italiano."
    The Swiss Heinrich Glarean (Loriti) writes:[26] "To the west there is a land they call America. Two islands, Hispaniola and Isabella: which regions were travelled, along the coast, by the Spaniards, by the Genoese Columbus and by Amerigo Vespuzio."
    The Spaniard Hieronymo Girava, who lived in the first half of the 16th century, writes:[27] "Christoval Colon Genoese, great seaman and mediocre cosmographer."
    The Portuguese Joăo de Barros writes: "As all men declare, Christovăo Colom was of Genoese nation, a man expert, eloquent and good Latinist, and very boastful in his affairs";[nb 13] and: "As in this kingdom came Christopher Columbus Genoese, who had just discovered the western islands that now we call Antilles."[29]
    The German known as Giovanni Boemo Aubano, of the first half of the 16th century, writes:[30] "Christoforo Palombo, Genoese, the year 1492."
    The Flemish Abraham Ortelius, writes:[31] "It seems to surpass the bounds of human wonder that all this hemisphere (that today is called America and, because of its immense extent, the New World) remained unknown to the ancients until the Christian year 1492, in which it was first discovered by Christopher Columbus, Genoese."
    The Portuguese Damiăo de Góis, writes:[32] "The Genoese Columbus, a man expert in nautical arts" ; and, in the index: "Columbi genuen- sis, alias Coloni commendatio."[nb 14]
    The Spaniard Nicolás Monardes, writes:[34] "In the year 1492 our Spaniards were led by don Christoval Colon, native of Genoa, to discover the West Indies."
    The German Laurentius Surius, writes:[35] "There was at the court of the King of Spain a certain Christopher Columbus whose homeland was Genoa."
    In 1579, for the Cristoph Pantin's edition, the yearbooks of the Genoese Senate were published, in Antwerp, edited by Petro Bizaro: Senatus Populique Genuensis rerum domi forisque gestarum historiae atque annales. Among what is written to celebrate many industrious Genoese men, you can read that: "cum Christophoro Columbo navalis scientiae absolutissima peritia apud omnem venturam posteritatem, juro optima aliqua ex parte conferri vel comparari possit."
    The Portuguese Fernăo Vaz Dourado in the Atlante of 1580,[36] notes: "Land of the Antipodes of the King of Castile discovered by Christopher Columbus Genoese."
    The Spaniard Alvaro Gomez, writes:[37] "Thanks to the eager industry of Christopher Columbus Genoese, word was brought to our Sovereigns of an unknown world."
    The Frenchman Gilbert Génebrard, writes:[38] "Ferdinand, at the urging of his wife Isabella, Queen of Castile, Leňn and Aragon, sent Christopher Columbus Genoese to seek new land."
    The Swiss Theodor Zwinger, who died in 1588, was the author of the Theatrum Humanae Vitae, Basle 1604. In the index we read: "Cristoforo Colono, or Colombo Genoese."
    On an unspecified date, certainly prior to 1591, the Turk Basmagi Ibrahim published a book, written by a Turkish author who has remained anonymous, entitled Turich-i-Hind-i garbi iachod hadis-i-nev (History of the West Indies, in other words the New Story). The third chapter of this book dedicated to the discoverer of the "New World or New Land," states: "From the village of Nervi, which is among the Genoese possessions, a man who was born who had the name Christopher and the surname Columbus. Since he had completed journeys by land and by sea [...] he stayed on an island by the name of Madeira [...] under the domain of the wretched (sic) Portugal."
    The Flemish Theodor De Bry, writes:[39] "From everything it can be stated with certainty that it was first discovered by Christopher Columbus Genoese."
    The Portuguese Gaspar Frutuoso, in a sixteenth-century manuscript entitled As Saudades da terra, printed by Alvaro Rodriguez Azevedo in 1873 in Funchal (Madeira), writes in the Anales of Porto Santo: "On this island the great Christovao Colombo, the Genoese, resided for some time."
    The German David Chytraeus writes:[40] "Primum Novum Orbem in occidente, omnibus antea ignotum et inaccessam... pervestigare et aperire... Christophorus Columbus Genesis, admirand ad omnen posteritatem ausu et industria coeperat."
    In the volume published by the City of Genoa the testimony is cited of the historian Andres Bernaldez, who died in 1513. He was the author of a Historia de los Reyes Catolicos don Fernando y dona Isabel. In this work, belatedly published in Seville in 1869, it is written:[41] "In the name of Almighty God, a man of the land of Genoa, a merchant of printed books who was called Christopher Columbus." Actually, in the original text of Bernaldez, it says "land of Milan". However, this is merely lack of precision. In the 15th century, the Republic of Genoa was alternately fully and legally dependent on the Duchy of Milan and the latter's satellite. The editor rightly interpreted the Milanese reference in the sense of Genoese origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damiăo de Góis View Post
    Interesting video, thanks for sharing. In the video they speak about having his DNA but say they need a close relative to draw any conclusions. I think seeing where he plots would be more than enough.

    There are indeed some conspiracy theories here. For example, this book came out recently:



    On the other hand, there are plenty of historians that claimed he was genoese, including my the one on my username:
    Interesting to me that it seems CCs connection to Portugal and King John, although financed by Spanish Crown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damiăo de Góis View Post
    Interesting video, thanks for sharing. In the video they speak about having his DNA but say they need a close relative to draw any conclusions. I think seeing where he plots would be more than enough.

    There are indeed some conspiracy theories here. For example, this book came out recently:



    On the other hand, there are plenty of historians that claimed he was genoese, including my the one on my username:
    Interesting to me that it seems CCs connection to Portugal and King John, although financed by Spanish Crown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianV View Post
    And that all of the names of the islands he named in the Caribbean were names of areas in Portugal.
    Wut??????????? the first island they discovered (current Dominican Republic-Haiti) was called La Espańola https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispaniola

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