Map: Germans in South-East Europe 1930

[Blondie]

What do you mean humans will always race mix? Europeans are the least likely to race mix of all the races. I did a DNA test through ancestry and I have 0% eastern European admixture. Many of these German communities living in central/ eastern Europe were very closed off from their neighbours and often times hostile to them politically, it's a big reason why AH was so unstable

This is partly right. Most danube swabians lived in separated villages (they have built these villages after the ottoman destruction) they didn't really mixed, but the situation is different in Budapest. On the other hand Austria-Hungary was a dualist state, not so german oriented and there was significant mixing between german and hungarian nobility. This is the list of hungarian noble families, many of them have german and croatian ancestry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...noble_families

[Chris596]

When given the opportunity, humans will always race mix, because the majority of humans only think with their penis.

Can't say I've seen any Danube German genetic results, but I've seen some Volga Germans on GEDMatch, based on them we can assume the Danubians wanted some of that exotic booty too.

Das rite (for me and my family)

[Peterski]

Now if you do this with both kits, I am sure you will find some more Banat Swabians:

(either this or "GEDCOM + DNA matches" where you look only for kits with GEDCOM)



Among the ones who match both Swabians, there should be at least some Swabians.

[Peterski]

They do seem to be slightly mixed with Romanians etc. This is why they get "French" in Single Distances (due to additional South European ancestry).

However, they are not as mixed with Non-Germans, as East Germans (Elbe-Oder and Oder-Vistula) are with Slavs (and Balts in case of East Prussia).

[Peterski]

Check also Transylvanian Saxons, also quite "French" (except for the two urban ones from Brasov who are obviously mixed):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6944974

I found the four ones that look quite pure (especially the 3 ones from Mures Sighisoara who look like South-West Germans).

They mixed a lot less with the locals, than East Germans did.

But it explains why they did not assimilate/absorb the indigenous locals and were also not absorbed/assimilated by the locals.

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Distance to: Mures_Sighisoara_1 [rural Transylvanian Saxon]
2.53333772 Swiss_German2
3.16080686 Swiss_German
3.37850559 FRA_Alsace
3.62102196 FRA_Belgica
4.23407605 FRA_Central
5.48672033 South_Dutch
5.54669271 Swiss_French
6.80499816 French
7.04455109 German_West

Distance to: Mures_Sighisoara_2 [rural Transylvanian Saxon]
3.33433652 FRA_Alsace
4.34027649 Swiss_German
5.05579865 Swiss_German2
5.12884977 German
5.56962297 Austrian
5.57752633 German_West
5.96714337 South_Dutch
6.12296497 FRA_Belgica
7.00327780 Swiss_French

Distance to: Mures_Sighisoara_3 [rural Transylvanian Saxon]
3.55449012 Swiss_German
3.65376518 FRA_Alsace
4.16215089 Swiss_German2
4.90979633 Swiss_French
6.33554260 FRA_Belgica
7.02778059 FRA_Central
7.61938318 South_Dutch
8.26821021 Austrian
8.30698501 German_West

[Jana]

They do seem to be slightly mixed with Romanians etc. This is why they get "French" in Single Distances (due to additional South European ancestry).

However, they are not as mixed with Non-Germans, as East Germans (Elbe-Oder and Oder-Vistula) are with Slavs (and Balts in case of East Prussia).

Their mix is little to none, at least those kits you posted. SW Germans can plot quite southern without any foreign input.
Lot of Swabians were from Alsace btw.

I don't see any eastern affinity which would come from Romanian input. They didn't mix due to religious and social barriers.

[Jana]

"French" Saxons - XenophobicPrussian's worst nightmare.

They are not Saxons. So called Transylvanian Saxons come from Franconian speaking regions.

[Peterski]

Their mix is little to none, at least those kits you posted. SW Germans can plot quite southern without any foreign input.
Lot of Swabians were from Alsace btw.

The one "Brasov_rural" - who is close to Central France in K13 - is surely mixed with Romanians. Otherwise he wouldn't be so French.

Romanians have Slavic admixture but they're mostly South Europeans after all, so it makes sense why German + Romanian = French.

They are not Saxons. So called Transylvanian Saxons come from Franconian speaking regions.

I know, but Franconia itself is not so southern-shifted. At least not today. Maybe 700 - 800 years ago it was more southern who knows.

Still they most likely do have some Balkan admixture.

[Jana]

The one labelled "Brasov_rural" who is close to Central France, is obviously mixed with Romanians. Otherwise he wouldn't be so French.

Romanians have Slavic admixture but they are mostly South Europeans after all, so it makes sense while German + Romanian = French.

Not really, it doesn't. German + Romanian would be more like Austrians.
Germans pulled to France have SW Euro input that is native to parts of west Germany, input Romanians lack.

Mixing with Romanians would pull them southeast not towards France.

[Jana]

I think modern day Translyvanian Saxon remnants in Romania are heavily mixed, saw some very mixed kits. But my point was they were never very northern or purely Germanic to begin with.