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    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    Do you think they have Vlach admixture or are they like that independently of Vlach migration along the Carpaths?
    They have, since they are southern shifted Eastern Slavs who have higher East Med and lower Baltic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post

    Polish-speaking highlanders (gorals) usually cluster with Poles (= north of the Carpathians), so have even less of Vlach DNA than Lemkos.
    According to your logic Croats, Slovaks and Hungarians also have strong Vlach admixture, because they are close to Ukrainian highlanders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smd555 View Post
    According to your logic Croats, Slovaks and Hungarians also have strong Vlach admixture, because they are close to Ukrainian Highlanders.
    We do. Slovaks are more purely Slavic though, from what I've seen Slovaks have less Balkan DNA than Rusyns (but keep in mind some eastern Slovaks are assimilated Rusyns).
    And Hungarians other than Slavic and Balkan have significant German input.

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    My father shares Y-DNA subclade with a Pole from Subcarpathian Voivodeship btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    My father shares Y-DNA subclade with a Pole from Subcarpathian Voivodeship btw.
    Srbin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
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    Unfortunately for you, ancient Serbs share absolutely zero relations with Carpathians. the fact you don't have lot of relations with east Germany and west Bohemia is your problem.
    Modern Serbs who match Rusyns are nothing more than paternally serbified Croats trough spread of orthodox Church to our historical Lands during Ottoman Empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    We do. Slovaks are more purely Slavic though, from what I've seen Slovaks have less Balkan DNA than Rusyns (but keep in mind some eastern Slovaks are assimilated Rusyns).
    And Hungarians other than Slavic and Balkan have significant German input.
    Balkans is very broad concept.I noted for a reason "Celto-Illyrian" genetic cluster (north-western Balkans), connected with Central Europe and "Thracian"/"Greek" cluster (southern and south-eastern Balkans), which differ between each other. South-western Ukrainians belong to "Celto-Illyrian", they have strong western/south-western influence and their genetics cannot be explained by the mixture of Slavs and Vlachs. I think, that Vlach influence was very little, Ukrainians assimilated more ancient non-Vlach substrate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Unfortunately for you, ancient Serbs share absolutely zero relations with Carpathians. the fact you don't have lot of relations with east Germany and west Bohemia is your problem.
    Modern Serbs who match Rusyns are nothing more than paternally serbified Croats trough spread of orthodox Church to our historical Lands during Ottoman Empire.

    Serbified Croatians from Bileća and Šumadija https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-FT76511/


    This is one of the indications for Serbian origin of Lemko, Gagauz from Moldova with surname Sirf (Serb) have a match with Serbian clan Nikšić https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y52621/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikšići_(tribe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    Serbified Croatians from Bileća and Šumadija https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-FT76511/


    This is one of the indications for Serbian origin of Lemko, Gagauz from Moldova with surname Sirf (Serb) have a match with Serbian clan Nikšić https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y52621/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikšići_(tribe)
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    Several hypotheses account for the origin of the Hutsuls, however, like all the Rusyns, they most probably have a diverse ethnogenetic origin. The Lemkos (and other Carpatho-Rusyns) are considered to be descendants of the medieval White Croats,[9][10][11][12][13][14][15] affected by the migration of Ruthenian-influenced Slovaks[15] and the Vlach/Romanian migrations in the 14th and 15th centuries.[9][15][16]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemkos...r%20Ukrainians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Gagauz with surname Sirf (Serb) carry same clade as old Serbian clan originated from modern Montenegro branched
    among Serbs from many regions https://forebears.io/surnames/sirf

    Slavic influence on Gagauz is from Bojka/Lemko people.

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