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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    Gagauz with surname Sirf (Serb) carry same clade as old Serbian clan originated from modern Montenegro branched
    among Serbs from many regions https://forebears.io/surnames/sirf

    Slavic influence on Gagauz is from Bojka/Lemko people.
    Gagauz are originally from Bulgaria as far as I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smd555 View Post
    Balkans is very broad concept.I noted for a reason "Celto-Illyrian" genetic cluster (north-western Balkans), connected with Central Europe and "Thracian"/"Greek" cluster (southern and south-eastern Balkans), which differ between each other. South-western Ukrainians belong to "Celto-Illyrian", they have strong western/south-western influence and their genetics cannot be explained by the mixture of Slavs and Vlachs. I think, that Vlach influence was very little, Ukrainians assimilated more ancient non-Vlach substrate.
    My grandfather was a South-Western Ukrainian. How can I tell if he and I had/have Balkan (Celto-Illyrian) admix?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polak View Post
    My grandfather was a South-Western Ukrainian. How can I tell if he and I had/have Balkan (Celto-Illyrian) admix?
    If you do not have recent Balkanic ancestry and score a bit of Greek and Balkan on 23andme that means he had Balkan admix

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Gagauz are originally from Bulgaria as far as I know.
    Serbian name in Ukraine exist in toponyms and it was not fell from the sky http://www.maplandia.com/ukraine/che...ska/serbichany

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriekman View Post
    If you do not have recent Balkanic ancestry and score a bit of Greek and Balkan on 23andme that means he had Balkan admix
    I only have Balkan on Myheritage and DNA.LAND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polak View Post
    I only have Balkan on Myheritage and DNA.LAND.
    Do you have G25? I do not know if there are highlander samples, but if they are will be very good modelling you with some of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polak View Post
    My grandfather was a South-Western Ukrainian. How can I tell if he and I had/have Balkan (Celto-Illyrian) admix?
    We can talk about some influence/admix only if we have pattern to compare with. South-western Ukrainians have some specificity compairing with average Ukrainian, but also some specificity have northern Ukrainians, central Ukrainians and others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriekman View Post
    Do you have G25? I do not know if there are highlander samples, but if they are will be very good modelling you with some of them
    That would be interesting. Where and how can I acquire my G25?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smd555 View Post
    We can talk about some influence/admix only if we have pattern to compare with. South-western Ukrainians have some specificity compairing with average Ukrainian, but also some specificity have northern Ukrainians, central Ukrainians and others.
    I understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polak View Post
    That would be interesting. Where and how can I acquire my G25?
    Contact Davidski https://bga101.blogspot.com/2017/10/...ore-to-be.html

    There is nothing more accurate than this at the moment, more accurate than 23andme or AncestryDNA

    It works like Gedmatch Vahaduo calculator

    BUT you should choose populations realistic for your ancestors, it can also give realistic ancestry proportions with all samples, but if you are mixed choose populations ( I recommend Genoplot )

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