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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriekman View Post
    Greeks are less Slavic, this is main difference.

    How do you know my results? Never posted ancient G25 or Gedmatch results.

    I feel like you're that Moldovlah user from Anthrogenica
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gecko View Post
    Is that normal that someone shows less(or in other cases more) east eurasian admixture than it must be? Also ther components seem to be different than expected.
    Yes, it is normal. You do not necessarily inherit 50% of your parents. Some SNPs which were different in your parents might be reshaped in you, and you show some genetic shift compared to your parents. It might be said that you can inherit DNA from your grandparents that are not present in your parents' thanks to recombining.

    There were situations I observed for example in Anatolian and Balkan Turk mixes, the child shows no Balkan or Anatolian influence although he supposed to be midway between two, and pretty much a copy of one of their parents.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abriekman View Post
    Why is primary population Greek, but not Bulgarian?
    It might be the random inheritance, or they might be having an actual Greek admixture. Besides, Thracian Greeks and Bulgarians already are identical in K12b.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Statistics so far.



    There is an individual who gets 15.64% EE, from Dobrich, he recently matched with a Tatar very closely so I removed him from the ranking as there is suspicion if he has part Tatar or not.
    Ryujin who is self-reportedly from Thrace scores only 19.38% AM & 19.44% NE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Ryujin who is self-reportedly from Thrace scores only 19.38% AM & 19.44% NE.
    If I understood correctly Ryujin is either 4/8 or 5/8 Balkanian. The rest consist of 2/8 Eastern Anatolian and either 1/8 or 2/8 Trabzon. Plus, the Balkan part most likely consisted of mainly Pomaks -except for Stara Zagora and maybe Xanthi, at least partly-

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    1/2 Didymoteicho(Dimetoka) + 1/2 İpsala, Edirne.

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    Admix Results (sorted):
    
    #	Population	Percent
    1	Caucasus	30.18
    2	North_European	26.09
    3	Atlantic_Med	20.05
    4	Gedrosia	8.59
    5	Southwest_Asian	6.26
    6	Siberian	3.06
    7	East_Asian	3
    8	Northwest_African	1.33
    9	South_Asian	1.08
    10	Southeast_Asian	0.35
    
    Single Population Sharing:
    
    #	Population (source)	Distance
    1	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	10.77
    2	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	11.96
    3	Romanians (Behar)	12.16
    4	Greek (Dodecad)	13.47
    5	O_Italian (Dodecad)	14.33
    6	C_Italian (Dodecad)	17.34
    7	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	17.63
    8	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	18.36
    9	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	18.76
    10	Tuscan (HGDP)	18.83
    11	Sicilian (Dodecad)	18.93
    12	TSI30 (Metspalu)	19.46
    13	N_Italian (Dodecad)	21.56
    14	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	21.82
    15	Turkish (Dodecad)	22.61
    16	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	23.58
    17	Turks (Behar)	24.23
    18	North_Italian (HGDP)	24.34
    19	Kumyks (Yunusbayev)	24.87
    20	Morocco_Jews (Behar)	25.47
    
    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
    
    #	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
    1	 	70.5%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	29.5%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	2.33
    2	 	73.1%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	26.9%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	3.23
    3	 	64.4%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	35.6%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	3.29
    4	 	53.2%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	46.8%	Hungarians (Behar)	@	3.36
    5	 	57.5%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	42.5%	German (Dodecad)	@	3.5
    6	 	64.6%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	35.4%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	3.56
    7	 	51.4%	Turks (Behar)	+	48.6%	Hungarians (Behar)	@	3.65
    8	 	55.8%	Turks (Behar)	+	44.2%	German (Dodecad)	@	3.73
    9	 	70.8%	Romanians (Behar)	+	29.2%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	4
    10	 	63%	Turks (Behar)	+	37%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	4.31
    11	 	62.8%	Turks (Behar)	+	37.2%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	4.36
    12	 	74.8%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	25.2%	Iranians (Behar)	@	4.4
    13	 	73.8%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	26.2%	Iranian (Dodecad)	@	4.61
    14	 	74%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	26%	Kurd (Dodecad)	@	4.72
    15	 	73.8%	Romanians (Behar)	+	26.2%	Kurd (Dodecad)	@	4.85
    16	 	73.6%	Romanians (Behar)	+	26.4%	Iranian (Dodecad)	@	4.88
    17	 	77.5%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	22.5%	Iranians (Behar)	@	4.92
    18	 	76.5%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	23.5%	Iranian (Dodecad)	@	4.95
    19	 	68.2%	Romanians (Behar)	+	31.8%	Turks (Behar)	@	5.01
    20	 	74.8%	Romanians (Behar)	+	25.2%	Iranians (Behar)	@	5.03
    Code:
     [1,] "75.2% Bulgarian_Thrace + 24.8% Nogai"            "1.5759"
     [2,] "71.1% Greek_Macedonia + 28.9% Nogai"             "2.4871"
     [3,] "66.5% Albanian_Kosovo + 33.5% Nogai"             "2.5107"
     [4,] "72.3% Bulgarian_East + 27.7% Nogai"              "2.5507"
     [5,] "76.2% Greek_Rumelia + 23.8% Nogai"               "2.5883"
     [6,] "73.4% Greek_Thrace_avg + 26.6% Nogai"            "2.7182"
     [7,] "83.1% Greek_Rumelia + 16.9% Turkmen_Afghanistan" "3.0642"
     [8,] "82.6% Greek_Rumelia + 17.4% Uzbek"               "3.1056"
     [9,] "80.1% Greek_Rumelia + 19.9% Turkmen_TKM"         "3.1203"
    [10,] "70.3% Greek_Northeast + 29.7% Nogai"             "3.1478"
    [11,] "84.8% Greek_Rumelia + 15.2% Uzbeks"              "3.1735"
    [12,] "71.3% Pomak_Greece + 28.7% Ottoman_MA2196"       "3.2163"
    [13,] "71.9% Greek_Thessaloniki + 28.1% Nogai"          "3.3258"
    [14,] "76.6% Bulgarian_East + 23.4% Turkmen_Iran"       "3.4134"
    [15,] "87% Greek_Rumelia + 13% Karluk_DA222"            "3.4845"
    [16,] "72.5% Bulgarian_East + 27.5% Ottoman_MA2196"     "3.507" 
    [17,] "80.5% Greek_Rumelia + 19.5% Turkmen_Iran"        "3.5579"
    [18,] "81.9% Greek_Rumelia + 18.1% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"  "3.559" 
    [19,] "85.9% Greek_Rumelia + 14.1% Karluk_DA230"        "3.5613"
    [20,] "75.5% Greek_Macedonia + 24.5% Turkmen_Iran"      "3.5869"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Ryujin who is self-reportedly from Thrace scores only 19.38% AM & 19.44% NE.
    My mother's paternal side is from Eastern Anatolia. Her maternal side is from Bulgaria and my paternal side is fully Thracian (Greece and Bulgaria). I'm mixed to some degree.

    The NE is higher because of Lovech, probably. I recall that my results were similar to that of Kaspias except I score higher Caucasia because of Eastern Anatolia + -possible- Black Sea admixture.
    Last edited by Ryujin; 01-21-2021 at 09:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryujin View Post
    My mother's paternal side is from Eastern Anatolia. Her maternal side is from Bulgaria and my paternal side is fully Thracian (Greece and Bulgaria). I'm mixed to some degree.

    The NE is higher because of Lovech, probably. I recall that my results were similar to that of Kaspias except I score higher Caucasia because of Eastern Anatolia + -possible- Black Sea admixture.
    There is actually a significant difference. You plot between Western Anatolia and Thrace -excluding your East Eurasian score-



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    Distance to:	Ryujin
    5.55244991	Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
    8.77763636	Greek_Lemnos
    9.64060164	Greek_Foca
    10.09849494	Turk_Northwest
    10.21869855	Turk_West_BlackSea
    10.30851590	Italian_Apulia
    10.36486855	Greek_Izmir
    10.59949999	Greek_Central
    10.85497121	Turk_Trakya
    10.99237463	Greek_Crete
    11.06171325	Greek_Peloponnese
    11.16631542	Greek_Athens
    11.40558635	Greek_Fournoi
    11.74689746	Turk_Southwest
    12.22899424	Turk_Makedonya
    12.47998798	Bulgarian_Thrace
    12.64300202	Turk_Central_West
    12.79859367	Italian_Abruzzo
    12.89285461	Greek_Thessaloniki
    13.06463930	Italian_Sicily
    13.08893426	Greek_Thrace
    13.31890010	MD_Jewish
    13.65781461	Greek_Thessaly
    13.69635353	Turk_Deliorman
    13.72640521	Italian_Campania
    13.84091399	Albanian
    13.88921164	Ashkenazi_Jews
    13.89307741	Kaspias_dad
    14.09371491	Greek_Kos
    14.41887652	Italian_Calabria
    14.67210619	Kaspias
    14.69357343	Turk_South
    15.03179963	Turk_Central_East
    15.05837641	Greek_Rhodes
    15.52952993	Turk_Central_Black_Sea

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    4/8 Turk from Silistra, 2/8 Turk from Cirpan - Stara Zagora, 1/8 Tatar from Constanta, 1/8 Anatolian Yörük from Antalya.

    Code:
    Admix Results (sorted):
    
    #	Population	Percent
    1	North_European	25.79
    2	Caucasus	22.27
    3	Atlantic_Med	18.91
    4	East_Asian	10.15
    5	Gedrosia	9.35
    6	Siberian	6.91
    7	Southwest_Asian	5.16
    8	South_Asian	1.05
    9	Northwest_African	0.4
    
    Single Population Sharing:
    
    #	Population (source)	Distance
    1	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	17.89
    2	Romanians (Behar)	18.26
    3	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	18.71
    4	O_Italian (Dodecad)	20.29
    5	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	20.79
    6	Greek (Dodecad)	22.16
    7	C_Italian (Dodecad)	23.61
    8	Tuscan (HGDP)	24.15
    9	TSI30 (Metspalu)	24.41
    10	N_Italian (Dodecad)	24.73
    11	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	25.16
    12	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	25.61
    13	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	25.63
    14	Sicilian (Dodecad)	25.83
    15	Hungarians (Behar)	26.29
    16	Uzbeks (Behar)	26.56
    17	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	27.05
    18	North_Italian (HGDP)	27.35
    19	Tajiks (Yunusbayev)	28.23
    20	Turkish (Dodecad)	28.53
    
    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
    
    #	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
    1	 	65.7%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	34.3%	Hazara (HGDP)	@	2.84
    2	 	66.7%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	33.3%	Hazara (HGDP)	@	3.02
    3	 	66.3%	Romanians (Behar)	+	33.7%	Hazara (HGDP)	@	3.19
    4	 	58.9%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	41.1%	Uzbeks (Behar)	@	3.9
    5	 	59.6%	Romanians (Behar)	+	40.4%	Uzbeks (Behar)	@	3.98
    6	 	60.1%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	39.9%	Uzbeks (Behar)	@	4.03
    7	 	65.8%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	34.2%	Uygur (HGDP)	@	4.85
    8	 	64.8%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	35.2%	Uygur (HGDP)	@	4.85
    9	 	65.4%	Romanians (Behar)	+	34.6%	Uygur (HGDP)	@	4.94
    10	 	76.7%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	23.3%	Mongol (Rasmussen)	@	5.93
    11	 	76.4%	Romanians (Behar)	+	23.6%	Mongol (Rasmussen)	@	6.3
    12	 	57.3%	O_Italian (Dodecad)	+	42.7%	Uzbeks (Behar)	@	6.49
    13	 	60.9%	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	+	39.1%	French (HGDP)	@	6.49
    14	 	75.6%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	24.4%	Altai (Rasmussen)	@	6.63
    15	 	80.8%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	19.2%	Oroqen (HGDP)	@	7.07
    16	 	75.3%	Romanians (Behar)	+	24.7%	Altai (Rasmussen)	@	7.16
    17	 	64.7%	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	+	35.3%	British (Dodecad)	@	7.23
    18	 	64.4%	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	+	35.6%	Cornwall (1000Genomes)	@	7.26
    19	 	79.7%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	20.3%	Buryat (Rasmussen)	@	7.38
    20	 	76.3%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	23.7%	Mongol (Rasmussen)	@	7.41

    Code:
    Distance to:	X
    10.17394221	Turk_Trakya
    10.55490407	Turk_Deliorman
    11.60964254	Lipka_Tatar
    12.28678965	Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
    14.15364264	Turk_Makedonya
    14.36895960	Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
    14.99586276	MD_Gagauz
    15.65778401	Bulgarian_East
    15.77294202	Pomak_Greece
    15.94121074	Greek_Macedonia
    16.21181668	Bulgarian_Thrace
    16.41397880	MD_South
    16.45816818	Bulgarian_Central
    16.53481479	Pomak_Bulgaria
    16.82103445	Bulgarian_West
    17.00854197	Romanian
    17.12096960	Ottoman_MA2196
    17.52430883	Greek_Thessaly
    17.66240074	Macedonian
    17.72754636	Greek_Thrace
    17.82824164	Greek_Thessaloniki
    17.86911581	Kipchak_DA179
    18.02916249	Albanian_Kosovo
    18.24568990	Greek_Peloponnese
    18.31091205	Turk_Northwest
    
    
     [1,] "64.4% Greek_Macedonia + 35.6% Karluk_DA230"          "1.4148"
     [2,] "64.8% Bulgarian_East + 35.2% Karluk_DA230"           "1.555" 
     [3,] "63.7% Bulgarian_Central + 36.3% Karluk_DA230"        "1.9479"
     [4,] "63.6% Pomak_Bulgaria + 36.4% Karluk_DA230"           "2.3526"
     [5,] "63.2% Bulgarian_West + 36.8% Karluk_DA230"           "2.453" 
     [6,] "66.2% Greek_Macedonia + 33.8% Karakalpak"            "2.4571"
     [7,] "62.6% Bulgarian_Central + 37.4% Uzbeks"              "2.4658"
     [8,] "62.1% Bulgarian_West + 37.9% Uzbeks"                 "2.4881"
     [9,] "69.2% Pomak_Bulgaria + 30.8% Hazara"                 "2.5033"
    [10,] "69.3% Bulgarian_Central + 30.7% Hazara"              "2.5576"
    [11,] "63.5% Greek_Macedonia + 36.5% Ottoman_MA2195"        "2.5673"
    [12,] "66.6% Bulgarian_East + 33.4% Karakalpak"             "2.5848"
    [13,] "63.4% Greek_Macedonia + 36.6% Uzbeks"                "2.6019"
    [14,] "68.9% Bulgarian_West + 31.1% Hazara"                 "2.6287"
    [15,] "61% Macedonian + 39% Uzbeks"                         "2.6409"
    [16,] "40.6% Greek_Northeast + 59.4% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe"  "2.6526"
    [17,] "40.2% Albanian_Kosovo + 59.8% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe"  "2.6595"
    [18,] "65.7% Bulgarian_Thrace + 34.3% Karakhanid_DA204"     "2.6642"
    [19,] "42.9% Bulgarian_Thrace + 57.1% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe" "2.6656"
    [20,] "64.4% Greek_Thrace_avg + 35.6% Karakhanid_DA204"     "2.6888"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    4/8 Turk from Silistra, 2/8 Turk from Cirpan - Stara Zagora, 1/8 Tatar from Constanta, 1/8 Anatolian Yörük from Antalya.
    That's a massive percentage of East Eurasian for someone who is only 1/8 Tatar. Must be visible phenotypically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    That's a massive percentage of East Eurasian for someone who is only 1/8 Tatar. Must be visible phenotypically.
    Yes. Honestly, I thought we have a new EE record, but apparently he has both Tatar and Anatolian Turkish input.

    I have never seen him, so don't know phenotype-wise.

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