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    Balkan Turks are originally from the Konya-Karaman area, where Karamanids ruled before being subjugated by the Ottomans and banished to Balkan territories. Karamanids were Khazar Turks so they probably had strong Turanid or Mongoloid component.

    Atatürk, who is probably a descendant of Karamanids himself, took the revenge of Karamanids by putting an end to the Ottomans and sending the family into exile, the same way what was done do Karamanids.

    My history is better than anthropology, so, just wanted to give a historical perspective in this context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryujin View Post
    Balkan Turks are originally from the Konya-Karaman area, where Karamanids ruled before being subjugated by the Ottomans and banished to Balkan territories. Karamanids were Khazar Turks so they probably had strong Turanid or Mongoloid component.

    Atatürk, who is probably a descendant of Karamanids himself, took the revenge of Karamanids by putting an end to the Ottomans and sending the family into exile, the same way what was done do Karamanids.

    My history is better than anthropology, so, just wanted to give a historical perspective in this context.
    Karamanid population is simply not enough to cover all of the Balkan Turks. It is a fact that there was a mass migration of Karamanids to the Balkans, yet it is certainly not true that these people are only of Karamanid descend.

    First of all, the Turkic population in the 1500s was already roughly 1/4 Tatar(5 different Tatar associations, 3 are being small), not even Oghuz. Then, when looking at Yoruk associations that were present at the same time as mentioned Tatar associations, we understand that they were already present before the Karamanid migration. The founder ones were probably of Kayi and Karesi(A worthy note here is there might be migration from other Western Beyliks as well, like Aydin, Menteşe, and Saruhan together with Karesi and Kayi) origin. But indeed, we see conclusions of claimed Karamanid migrations towards end of the 15th century. Population who are registered to those Yoruk associations was almost doubling. Also, although it is not mentioned in Turkish history, I give a chance to Candaroglu migration to the Balkans together with Karamanids.

    After all, when these associations are collapsed in the 17th century, Celali Rebellions took place. Migration and exiles after the rebellions doubled the Turkish population in the Balkans, again. There is no detailed historical record on it and we don't know the origin of the new comers.

    Towards the 19th century irregular migrations from Anatolia, Iran, Syria, and Iraq happened. All were Turkic speakers and former subjects of the Ottomans. (like Iranian Turks, Syrian Turkmens)

    At the same time, from the 1840s to the 1930s, great Tatar migration took place and some are already absorbed among Turks while some still identify as Tatar.

    Plus to what had been stated until now, there is also a chance of pre-Ottoman(Seljuks and before) Turkic migrations to the Balkans.

    Karamanids are just one of the origins, but it is a popular myth in Turkey to talk as if all of the Balkan Turks were of Karamanid origin.
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Karamanid population is simply not enough to cover all of the Balkan Turks. It is a fact that there was a mass migration of Karamanids to the Balkans, yet it is certainly not true that these people are only of Karamanid descend.

    First of all, the Turkic population in the 1500s was already roughly 1/4 Tatar(5 different Tatar associations, 3 are being small), not even Oghuz. Then, when looking at Yoruk associations that were present at the same time as mentioned Tatar associations, we understand that they were already present before the Karamanid migration. The founder ones were probably of Kayi and Karesi(A worthy note here is there might be migration from other Western Beyliks as well, like Aydin, Menteşe, and Saruhan together with Karesi and Kayi) origin. But indeed, we see conclusions of claimed Karamanid migrations towards end of the 15th century. Population who are registered to those Yoruk associations was almost doubling. Also, although it is not mentioned in Turkish history, I give a chance to Candaroglu migration to the Balkans together with Karamanids.

    After all, when these associations are collapsed in the 17th century, Celali Rebellions took place. Migration and exiles after the rebellions doubled the Turkish population in the Balkans, again. There is no detailed historical record on it and we don't know the origin of the new comers.

    Towards the 19th century irregular migrations from Anatolia, Iran, Syria, and Iraq happened. All were Turkic speakers and former subjects of the Ottomans. (like Iranian Turks, Syrian Turkmens)

    At the same time, from the 1840s to the 1930s, great Tatar migration took place and some are already absorbed among Turks while some still identify as Tatar.

    Plus to what had been stated until now, there is also a chance of pre-Ottoman(Seljuks and before) Turkic migrations to the Balkans.

    Karamanids are just one of the origins, but it is a popular myth in Turkey to talk as if all of the Balkan Turks were of Karamanid origin.
    I did not state that all of them were of Karamanid origins; but it might be the primary reason for higher Mongoloid component in some Balkan areas.

    Of course they are not pure Karamanids, many must have been mixed with Balkanite locals as well and other tribes. This is only natural. No one is pure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryujin View Post
    Balkan Turks are originally from the Konya-Karaman area, where Karamanids ruled before being subjugated by the Ottomans and banished to Balkan territories. Karamanids were Khazar Turks so they probably had strong Turanid or Mongoloid component.

    Atatürk, who is probably a descendant of Karamanids himself, took the revenge of Karamanids by putting an end to the Ottomans and sending the family into exile, the same way what was done do Karamanids.

    My history is better than anthropology, so, just wanted to give a historical perspective in this context.
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    Everyone claims Atatürk. They claim Karaman, Jew, Albanian, Bulgarian. Why they do that? They have their own agendas. He was Turkish speaking Balkan Turk from Macedonia. Just look at results of Balkan Turks from Macedonia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    I attempted to create a hybrid dataset.

    You may give it a try.

    File: balturk_oracle.RData


    Command:

    Code:
    balturk(c(8.87,5.92,1.72,0,18.43,26.85,1.31,0,8.41,3.06,25.40,0),k=20,mixedmode=T)
    I did not include Turkish populations with a purpose. I'm interested in the populations which will be preferred by algorithm while modeling Turks.





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     [1,] "72.4% Bulgarian_East + 27.6% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"      "3.3856"
     [2,] "69.4% Bulgarian_Central + 30.6% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"   "3.4945"
     [3,] "19.6% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38 + 80.4% Bulgarian_Thrace"     "3.703" 
     [4,] "25% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA385 + 75% Greek_Peloponnese"      "3.7261"
     [5,] "22.8% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38 + 77.2% Greek_Thessaloniki"   "3.7391"
     [6,] "68.2% Bulgarian_West + 31.8% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"      "3.8151"
     [7,] "71.4% Greek_Macedonia + 28.6% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"     "3.8286"
     [8,] "18.3% KAZ_Nomad_MA_DA93 + 81.7% Bulgarian_Thrace"     "3.8641"
     [9,] "21.2% Karakhanid_DA204 + 78.8% Bulgarian_Thrace"      "4.0056"
    [10,] "19.8% Karluk_DA222 + 80.2% Bulgarian_East"            "4.0534"
    [11,] "27% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA100 + 73% Greek_Peloponnese"      "4.0766"
    [12,] "20.8% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA385 + 79.2% Bulgarian_Thrace"   "4.1007"
    [13,] "28.9% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 + 71.1% Greek_Thessaloniki" "4.1544"
    [14,] "24.2% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA385 + 75.8% Greek_Thessaloniki" "4.1833"
    [15,] "29.4% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 + 70.6% Greek_Peloponnese"  "4.2169"
    [16,] "22.7% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA100 + 77.3% Bulgarian_Thrace"   "4.2197"
    [17,] "23.1% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38 + 76.9% Greek_Peloponnese"    "4.2784"
    [18,] "65.1% Bulgarian_Thrace + 34.9% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe"  "4.2901"
    [19,] "19.5% Xiongnu-Turk_DA41 + 80.5% Bulgarian_Thrace"     "4.3191"
    [20,] "26.3% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA100 + 73.7% Greek_Thessaloniki" "4.3716"
    [21,] "30.3% Kipchak_DA179 + 69.7% Bulgarian_East"           "4.4444"
    [22,] "29.7% Hazar-Bulgar_DA142 + 70.3% Greek_Peloponnese"   "4.4505"
    [23,] "24.8% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 + 75.2% Bulgarian_Thrace"   "4.4691"
    [24,] "25% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA74 + 75% Greek_Peloponnese"       "4.5033"
    [25,] "25.1% Hazar-Bulgar_DA142 + 74.9% Bulgarian_Thrace"    "4.5143"
    [26,] "20.4% Karluk_DA222 + 79.6% Greek_Macedonia"           "4.5712"
    [27,] "67.1% Romanian + 32.9% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"            "4.5773"
    [28,] "28.1% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA385 + 71.9% Greek_Athens"       "4.581" 
    [29,] "25.4% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA65 + 74.6% Bulgarian_Thrace"    "4.6183"
    [30,] "33.1% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 + 66.9% Greek_Athens"       "4.6385"
    Last edited by Kaspias; 10-17-2020 at 04:43 PM.
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    You may give it a try.

    File: balturk_oracle.RData


    Command:

    Code:
    balturk(c(8.87,5.92,1.72,0,18.43,26.85,1.31,0,8.41,3.06,25.40,0),k=20,mixedmode=T)
    I did not include Turkish populations with a purpose. I'm interested in the populations which will be preferred by algorithm while modeling Turks.





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     [1,] "72.4% Bulgarian_East + 27.6% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"      "3.3856"
     [2,] "69.4% Bulgarian_Central + 30.6% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"   "3.4945"
     [3,] "19.6% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38 + 80.4% Bulgarian_Thrace"     "3.703" 
     [4,] "25% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA385 + 75% Greek_Peloponnese"      "3.7261"
     [5,] "22.8% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38 + 77.2% Greek_Thessaloniki"   "3.7391"
     [6,] "68.2% Bulgarian_West + 31.8% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"      "3.8151"
     [7,] "71.4% Greek_Macedonia + 28.6% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"     "3.8286"
     [8,] "18.3% KAZ_Nomad_MA_DA93 + 81.7% Bulgarian_Thrace"     "3.8641"
     [9,] "21.2% Karakhanid_DA204 + 78.8% Bulgarian_Thrace"      "4.0056"
    [10,] "19.8% Karluk_DA222 + 80.2% Bulgarian_East"            "4.0534"
    [11,] "27% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA100 + 73% Greek_Peloponnese"      "4.0766"
    [12,] "20.8% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA385 + 79.2% Bulgarian_Thrace"   "4.1007"
    [13,] "28.9% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 + 71.1% Greek_Thessaloniki" "4.1544"
    [14,] "24.2% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA385 + 75.8% Greek_Thessaloniki" "4.1833"
    [15,] "29.4% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 + 70.6% Greek_Peloponnese"  "4.2169"
    [16,] "22.7% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA100 + 77.3% Bulgarian_Thrace"   "4.2197"
    [17,] "23.1% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38 + 76.9% Greek_Peloponnese"    "4.2784"
    [18,] "65.1% Bulgarian_Thrace + 34.9% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe"  "4.2901"
    [19,] "19.5% Xiongnu-Turk_DA41 + 80.5% Bulgarian_Thrace"     "4.3191"
    [20,] "26.3% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA100 + 73.7% Greek_Thessaloniki" "4.3716"
    [21,] "30.3% Kipchak_DA179 + 69.7% Bulgarian_East"           "4.4444"
    [22,] "29.7% Hazar-Bulgar_DA142 + 70.3% Greek_Peloponnese"   "4.4505"
    [23,] "24.8% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 + 75.2% Bulgarian_Thrace"   "4.4691"
    [24,] "25% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA74 + 75% Greek_Peloponnese"       "4.5033"
    [25,] "25.1% Hazar-Bulgar_DA142 + 74.9% Bulgarian_Thrace"    "4.5143"
    [26,] "20.4% Karluk_DA222 + 79.6% Greek_Macedonia"           "4.5712"
    [27,] "67.1% Romanian + 32.9% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"            "4.5773"
    [28,] "28.1% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA385 + 71.9% Greek_Athens"       "4.581" 
    [29,] "25.4% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA65 + 74.6% Bulgarian_Thrace"    "4.6183"
    [30,] "33.1% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 + 66.9% Greek_Athens"       "4.6385"
    [1,] "19.4% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA81 + 80.6% Greek_Central" "2.3023"
    [2,] "21.2% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA81 + 78.8% Greek_Athens" "2.3128"
    [3,] "17.7% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA85 + 82.3% Greek_Central" "2.4142"
    [4,] "16.5% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA81 + 83.5% Greek_Peloponnese" "2.4215"
    [5,] "15% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA85 + 85% Greek_Peloponnese" "2.4873"
    [6,] "19.4% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA85 + 80.6% Greek_Athens" "2.5298"
    [7,] "15.7% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 + 84.3% Greek_Peloponnese" "2.6578"
    [8,] "18.4% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 + 81.6% Greek_Central" "2.8088"
    [9,] "14.8% Iran_Bandari + 85.2% Greek_Thessaly" "2.9622"
    [10,] "12.4% Iran_Bandari + 87.6% Bulgarian_Thrace" "3.0135"
    [11,] "11.9% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38 + 88.1% Greek_Peloponnese" "3.1816"
    [12,] "20% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 + 80% Greek_Athens" "3.1978"
    [13,] "18.5% Iran_Khorasan + 81.5% Greek_Thessaly" "3.2856"
    [14,] "14.2% Iran_Bandari + 85.8% Greek_Thrace" "3.3355"
    [15,] "84.8% Bulgarian_Thrace + 15.2% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.3459"
    [16,] "15.3% Iran_Khorasan + 84.7% Bulgarian_Thrace" "3.4059"
    [17,] "82.1% Greek_Thrace + 17.9% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.4343"
    [18,] "81.9% Greek_Thessaly + 18.1% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.4443"
    [19,] "12.7% Gokturk_DA89 + 87.3% Greek_Peloponnese" "3.5382"
    [20,] "15% Iran_Bandari + 85% Greek_Thessaloniki" "3.6592"

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    A new match of my father, 4th cousin according to Gedmatch:

    Father is Crimean Tatar from Constanta, mother is Balkan Turk from Razgrad.

    Gedmatch

    Code:
    Admix Results (sorted):
    
    #	Population	Percent
    1	Caucasus	26.11
    2	North_European	24.04
    3	Atlantic_Med	19.42
    4	Gedrosia	11.59
    5	Southwest_Asian	5.44
    6	East_Asian	4.41
    7	Siberian	3.66
    8	Southeast_Asian	2.43
    9	Northwest_African	1.72
    10	South_Asian	1.15
    11	Sub_Saharan	0.02
    
    Single Population Sharing:
    
    #	Population (source)	Distance
    1	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	14.91
    2	Romanians (Behar)	15.8
    3	O_Italian (Dodecad)	16.02
    4	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	16.19
    5	Greek (Dodecad)	17.19
    6	C_Italian (Dodecad)	19.17
    7	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	20.25
    8	Tuscan (HGDP)	20.44
    9	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	20.62
    10	TSI30 (Metspalu)	20.82
    11	Sicilian (Dodecad)	20.87
    12	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	20.9
    13	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	21.28
    14	N_Italian (Dodecad)	22.21
    15	Turkish (Dodecad)	23.82
    16	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	24.85
    17	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	24.93
    18	North_Italian (HGDP)	25.02
    19	Turks (Behar)	25.03
    20	Kumyks (Yunusbayev)	25.41
    
    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
    
    #	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
    1	 	61.4%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	38.6%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	5.12
    2	 	62%	Romanians (Behar)	+	38%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	5.18
    3	 	62.1%	Turks (Behar)	+	37.9%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	5.42
    4	 	63.7%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	36.3%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	5.45
    5	 	62.1%	Turks (Behar)	+	37.9%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	5.95
    6	 	63.4%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	36.6%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	5.95
    7	 	57.9%	Turks (Behar)	+	42.1%	Dutch (Dodecad)	@	6.02
    8	 	60.9%	Turks (Behar)	+	39.1%	Orkney (1000Genomes)	@	6.1
    9	 	56.5%	Turks (Behar)	+	43.5%	Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)	@	6.15
    10	 	64.2%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	35.8%	Tajiks (Yunusbayev)	@	6.2
    11	 	63.4%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	36.6%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	6.24
    12	 	60.2%	Turks (Behar)	+	39.8%	Argyll (1000Genomes)	@	6.26
    13	 	55.2%	Turks (Behar)	+	44.8%	German (Dodecad)	@	6.26
    14	 	60.2%	Turks (Behar)	+	39.8%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	@	6.26
    15	 	60.9%	Turks (Behar)	+	39.1%	Orcadian (HGDP)	@	6.27
    16	 	59.1%	Turks (Behar)	+	40.9%	CEU30 (1000Genomes)	@	6.3
    17	 	59.2%	Turks (Behar)	+	40.8%	English (Dodecad)	@	6.33
    18	 	60.8%	Turks (Behar)	+	39.2%	Irish (Dodecad)	@	6.36
    19	 	58.9%	Turks (Behar)	+	41.1%	Kent (1000Genomes)	@	6.47
    20	 	60.2%	Turks (Behar)	+	39.8%	British (Dodecad)	@	6.66
    Updated oracle


    Code:
     [1,] "Turk_Trakya"            "5.4816" 
     [2,] "Turk_Deliorman"         "7.0581" 
     [3,] "Crimean_Tatar_Mountain" "8.6313" 
     [4,] "Turk_Makedonya"         "9.4604" 
     [5,] "Bulgarian_Thrace"       "11.198" 
     [6,] "MD_Gagauz"              "11.2172"
     [7,] "Bulgarian_East"         "12.0141"
     [8,] "Greek_Macedonia"        "12.3881"
     [9,] "Greek_Thessaly"         "12.9086"
    [10,] "Greek_Peloponnese"      "12.9116"
    [11,] "Greek_Thrace"           "12.9492"
    [12,] "Greek_Thessaloniki"     "13.0448"
    [13,] "Bulgarian_Central"      "13.7921"
    [14,] "Greek_Central"          "14.098" 
    [15,] "MD_South"               "14.1412"
    [16,] "Albanian_Kosovo"        "14.217" 
    [17,] "Turk_Northwest"         "14.4135"
    [18,] "Pomak"                  "14.4265"
    [19,] "Bulgarian_West"         "14.4883"
    [20,] "Greek_Athens"           "14.8585"
    
     [1,] "69.1% MD_Gagauz + 30.9% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"       "2.9747"
     [2,] "29.6% German + 70.4% Turk_Northwest"              "2.9801"
     [3,] "33.6% German + 66.4% Turk_Southwest"              "2.9834"
     [4,] "27% Swedish + 73% Turk_Northwest"                 "3.0045"
     [5,] "30.7% Swedish + 69.3% Turk_Southwest"             "3.0129"
     [6,] "48.6% HUN_Szekely + 51.4% Yoruk"                  "3.0701"
     [7,] "27.6% Icelandic + 72.4% Turk_Northwest"           "3.1291"
     [8,] "37% Swedish + 63% Turk_Central_Black_Sea"         "3.1466"
     [9,] "71.1% Bulgarian_Thrace + 28.9% Uzbek"             "3.1559"
    [10,] "13.1% Tajiks + 86.9% Turk_Trakya"                 "3.1568"
    [11,] "15.6% Tajik_Tajikistan + 84.4% Turk_Trakya"       "3.18"  
    [12,] "40.1% Slovenian + 59.9% Yoruk"                    "3.2281"
    [13,] "79.6% Turk_Deliorman + 20.4% Turkmen"             "3.2825"
    [14,] "74.8% Turk_Makedonya + 25.2% Uzbek"               "3.2889"
    [15,] "40% German + 60% Turk_Central_Black_Sea"          "3.3346"
    [16,] "31.4% Icelandic + 68.6% Turk_Southwest"           "3.3527"
    [17,] "66.9% Greek_Macedonia + 33.1% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.3605"
    [18,] "67.7% Bulgarian_East + 32.3% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"  "3.3725"
    [19,] "37.7% Icelandic + 62.3% Turk_Central_Black_Sea"   "3.3792"
    [20,] "79.4% Turk_Deliorman + 20.6% Turkmen_Iran"        "3.385"
    Ancient & Modern

    Code:
     [1,] "66.9% Greek_Macedonia + 33.1% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"    "3.3605"
     [2,] "67.7% Bulgarian_East + 32.3% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"     "3.3725"
     [3,] "32.8% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 + 67.2% Greek_Athens"      "3.5752"
     [4,] "31.6% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 + 68.4% Greek_Central"     "3.6666"
     [5,] "69.6% Bulgarian_Thrace + 30.4% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"   "3.9291"
     [6,] "29.4% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 + 70.6% Greek_Peloponnese" "4.0326"
     [7,] "24.8% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38 + 75.2% Greek_Central"       "4.1313"
     [8,] "23% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38 + 77% Greek_Peloponnese"       "4.1517"
     [9,] "64.6% Bulgarian_Central + 35.4% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"  "4.1734"
    [10,] "21.4% Karluk_DA222 + 78.6% Bulgarian_Thrace"         "4.1986"
    [11,] "33.8% Kipchak_DA179 + 66.2% Bulgarian_Thrace"        "4.3171"
    [12,] "25.7% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38 + 74.3% Greek_Athens"        "4.3814"
    [13,] "63.5% Bulgarian_West + 36.5% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"     "4.4862"
    [14,] "30.4% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA85 + 69.6% Greek_Athens"       "4.5347"
    [15,] "23.1% Karluk_DA230 + 76.9% Bulgarian_Thrace"         "4.5366"
    [16,] "28.3% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA100 + 71.7% Greek_Central"     "4.7061"
    [17,] "25.9% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA385 + 74.1% Greek_Central"     "4.7094"
    [18,] "22.9% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38 + 77.1% Greek_Thessaloniki"  "4.7383"
    [19,] "26.3% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA100 + 73.7% Greek_Peloponnese" "4.7985"
    [20,] "29.1% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA85 + 70.9% Greek_Central"      "4.7996"
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    A new match of my father, 4th cousin according to Gedmatch:

    Father is Crimean Tatar from Constanta, mother is Balkan Turk from Razgrad.

    Gedmatch

    Code:
    Admix Results (sorted):
    
    #	Population	Percent
    1	Caucasus	26.11
    2	North_European	24.04
    3	Atlantic_Med	19.42
    4	Gedrosia	11.59
    5	Southwest_Asian	5.44
    6	East_Asian	4.41
    7	Siberian	3.66
    8	Southeast_Asian	2.43
    9	Northwest_African	1.72
    10	South_Asian	1.15
    11	Sub_Saharan	0.02
    
    Single Population Sharing:
    
    #	Population (source)	Distance
    1	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	14.91
    2	Romanians (Behar)	15.8
    3	O_Italian (Dodecad)	16.02
    4	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	16.19
    5	Greek (Dodecad)	17.19
    6	C_Italian (Dodecad)	19.17
    7	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	20.25
    8	Tuscan (HGDP)	20.44
    9	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	20.62
    10	TSI30 (Metspalu)	20.82
    11	Sicilian (Dodecad)	20.87
    12	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	20.9
    13	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	21.28
    14	N_Italian (Dodecad)	22.21
    15	Turkish (Dodecad)	23.82
    16	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	24.85
    17	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	24.93
    18	North_Italian (HGDP)	25.02
    19	Turks (Behar)	25.03
    20	Kumyks (Yunusbayev)	25.41
    
    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
    
    #	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
    1	 	61.4%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	38.6%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	5.12
    2	 	62%	Romanians (Behar)	+	38%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	5.18
    3	 	62.1%	Turks (Behar)	+	37.9%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	5.42
    4	 	63.7%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	36.3%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	5.45
    5	 	62.1%	Turks (Behar)	+	37.9%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	5.95
    6	 	63.4%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	36.6%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	5.95
    7	 	57.9%	Turks (Behar)	+	42.1%	Dutch (Dodecad)	@	6.02
    8	 	60.9%	Turks (Behar)	+	39.1%	Orkney (1000Genomes)	@	6.1
    9	 	56.5%	Turks (Behar)	+	43.5%	Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)	@	6.15
    10	 	64.2%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	35.8%	Tajiks (Yunusbayev)	@	6.2
    11	 	63.4%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	36.6%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	6.24
    12	 	60.2%	Turks (Behar)	+	39.8%	Argyll (1000Genomes)	@	6.26
    13	 	55.2%	Turks (Behar)	+	44.8%	German (Dodecad)	@	6.26
    14	 	60.2%	Turks (Behar)	+	39.8%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	@	6.26
    15	 	60.9%	Turks (Behar)	+	39.1%	Orcadian (HGDP)	@	6.27
    16	 	59.1%	Turks (Behar)	+	40.9%	CEU30 (1000Genomes)	@	6.3
    17	 	59.2%	Turks (Behar)	+	40.8%	English (Dodecad)	@	6.33
    18	 	60.8%	Turks (Behar)	+	39.2%	Irish (Dodecad)	@	6.36
    19	 	58.9%	Turks (Behar)	+	41.1%	Kent (1000Genomes)	@	6.47
    20	 	60.2%	Turks (Behar)	+	39.8%	British (Dodecad)	@	6.66
    Updated oracle


    Code:
     [1,] "Turk_Trakya"            "5.4816" 
     [2,] "Turk_Deliorman"         "7.0581" 
     [3,] "Crimean_Tatar_Mountain" "8.6313" 
     [4,] "Turk_Makedonya"         "9.4604" 
     [5,] "Bulgarian_Thrace"       "11.198" 
     [6,] "MD_Gagauz"              "11.2172"
     [7,] "Bulgarian_East"         "12.0141"
     [8,] "Greek_Macedonia"        "12.3881"
     [9,] "Greek_Thessaly"         "12.9086"
    [10,] "Greek_Peloponnese"      "12.9116"
    [11,] "Greek_Thrace"           "12.9492"
    [12,] "Greek_Thessaloniki"     "13.0448"
    [13,] "Bulgarian_Central"      "13.7921"
    [14,] "Greek_Central"          "14.098" 
    [15,] "MD_South"               "14.1412"
    [16,] "Albanian_Kosovo"        "14.217" 
    [17,] "Turk_Northwest"         "14.4135"
    [18,] "Pomak"                  "14.4265"
    [19,] "Bulgarian_West"         "14.4883"
    [20,] "Greek_Athens"           "14.8585"
    
     [1,] "69.1% MD_Gagauz + 30.9% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"       "2.9747"
     [2,] "29.6% German + 70.4% Turk_Northwest"              "2.9801"
     [3,] "33.6% German + 66.4% Turk_Southwest"              "2.9834"
     [4,] "27% Swedish + 73% Turk_Northwest"                 "3.0045"
     [5,] "30.7% Swedish + 69.3% Turk_Southwest"             "3.0129"
     [6,] "48.6% HUN_Szekely + 51.4% Yoruk"                  "3.0701"
     [7,] "27.6% Icelandic + 72.4% Turk_Northwest"           "3.1291"
     [8,] "37% Swedish + 63% Turk_Central_Black_Sea"         "3.1466"
     [9,] "71.1% Bulgarian_Thrace + 28.9% Uzbek"             "3.1559"
    [10,] "13.1% Tajiks + 86.9% Turk_Trakya"                 "3.1568"
    [11,] "15.6% Tajik_Tajikistan + 84.4% Turk_Trakya"       "3.18"  
    [12,] "40.1% Slovenian + 59.9% Yoruk"                    "3.2281"
    [13,] "79.6% Turk_Deliorman + 20.4% Turkmen"             "3.2825"
    [14,] "74.8% Turk_Makedonya + 25.2% Uzbek"               "3.2889"
    [15,] "40% German + 60% Turk_Central_Black_Sea"          "3.3346"
    [16,] "31.4% Icelandic + 68.6% Turk_Southwest"           "3.3527"
    [17,] "66.9% Greek_Macedonia + 33.1% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.3605"
    [18,] "67.7% Bulgarian_East + 32.3% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"  "3.3725"
    [19,] "37.7% Icelandic + 62.3% Turk_Central_Black_Sea"   "3.3792"
    [20,] "79.4% Turk_Deliorman + 20.6% Turkmen_Iran"        "3.385"
    Ancient & Modern

    Code:
     [1,] "66.9% Greek_Macedonia + 33.1% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"    "3.3605"
     [2,] "67.7% Bulgarian_East + 32.3% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"     "3.3725"
     [3,] "32.8% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 + 67.2% Greek_Athens"      "3.5752"
     [4,] "31.6% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 + 68.4% Greek_Central"     "3.6666"
     [5,] "69.6% Bulgarian_Thrace + 30.4% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"   "3.9291"
     [6,] "29.4% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 + 70.6% Greek_Peloponnese" "4.0326"
     [7,] "24.8% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38 + 75.2% Greek_Central"       "4.1313"
     [8,] "23% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38 + 77% Greek_Peloponnese"       "4.1517"
     [9,] "64.6% Bulgarian_Central + 35.4% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"  "4.1734"
    [10,] "21.4% Karluk_DA222 + 78.6% Bulgarian_Thrace"         "4.1986"
    [11,] "33.8% Kipchak_DA179 + 66.2% Bulgarian_Thrace"        "4.3171"
    [12,] "25.7% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38 + 74.3% Greek_Athens"        "4.3814"
    [13,] "63.5% Bulgarian_West + 36.5% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"     "4.4862"
    [14,] "30.4% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA85 + 69.6% Greek_Athens"       "4.5347"
    [15,] "23.1% Karluk_DA230 + 76.9% Bulgarian_Thrace"         "4.5366"
    [16,] "28.3% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA100 + 71.7% Greek_Central"     "4.7061"
    [17,] "25.9% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA385 + 74.1% Greek_Central"     "4.7094"
    [18,] "22.9% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38 + 77.1% Greek_Thessaloniki"  "4.7383"
    [19,] "26.3% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA100 + 73.7% Greek_Peloponnese" "4.7985"
    [20,] "29.1% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA85 + 70.9% Greek_Central"      "4.7996"
    Can you also share updated SS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thracian View Post
    Can you also share updated SS?
    Sure, here.

    balturkmodern(c(xxx),k=20,mixedmode=T)
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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