Balkan Turk GEDmatch Results, Dodecad K12b Averages

**Sora** · 01-16-2021, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Kaspias

Deliorman or any other Turkish region in the Balkans can not be generalized by using the pattern "mostly x". Chepni were present in Deliorman while they were not present in Thrace and Macedonia, but were they majority? Not likely. Chepni migrations roots to the 16-17th centuries: Celali expelling of Alevi tribes. At the same time, many other tribes from the Inner Anatolia as well as Southern and Western Anatolia were expelled to the Deliorman. Before that, there were already Turkic population living that is consisted of Yörüks, sedentary Turks(originated from the earlier Karesi-Kayı-Karaman migrations.) as well as Tatars. Plus, there were already followers of Sarı Saltuk when those early Turks had come(they could be Chepni though). In addition, there were Kipchaks when Sarı Saltuk and his followers arrive, and they mixed with them as well. In this sense, Chepni's are just one of the sources among all Turkic input's that has an impact on Deliorman.

For Gagauz being Chepni, it is one of the theories that aim to explain the origin of Gagauzes. It might be or it might not. But a correction here is Christianization took place in Eastern Bulgaria, not in Moldova. Probably a great majority of Gagauz converted to Islam again when Ottomans arrived and created the base layer of Deliorman Turks. The ones who stayed as Christian mixed with Bulgarians and Greeks which will let the Turkic admixture wash out eventually.

Thank you so much

I'm paternally have Chepni roots too and the Wikipedia page says Chepni were actually Alevi of Güvenç Abdal Association but later Sunnized, but Aegean & Marmara Chepnis are still majority Alevi. The trace history of my paternal grandfather's village also confirms that but my father is so anti-Alevi that he denies this fact.

https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%87epniler

Chepni people in Balkans & Thrace

Turkmens, who passed to Deliorman and Dobrudja regions together with Sarı Saltuk and İzzeddin Keykavus before the Ottoman state was established, are from the Chepni clan. These Chepnies in Deliorman and Dobruja mixed with the local Kipchak and Pecheneg peoples as well as other Turkmen tribes that came later and lost their Chepni consciousness. However, they continue the Bektashism, which is the Chepni belief. Many of them migrated back to Western Anatolia, forming the present-day Western Anatolian Çepnis. The Turks in Dobruja say that they are Turkmen and that their faith leader is Sarı Saltuk and they pray on his behalf in Mosques and Dervish lodges even today.

A group of Chepni supporters of Izzeddin Keykavus in Romania and Moldova converted to Christianity. It is claimed that these Chepnis are called Gagauz because of Keykavus. Interestingly, it has been determined that the Gagauz Turks speak with Trabzon dialect. For example, the word Bıldır used in the dialect of Ordu-Giresun-Trabzon is used instead of last year. There are many more example words like this one.

**Kaspias** · 01-16-2021, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Sora

Thank you so much

I'm paternally have Chepni roots too and the Wikipedia page says Chepni were actually Alevi of Güvenç Abdal Association but later Sunnized, but Aegean & Marmara Chepnis are still majority Alevi. The trace history of my paternal grandfather's village also confirms that but my father is so anti-Alevi that he denies this fact.

https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%87epniler

Honestly, I don't know the sectarian process of Anatolian Chepni's. But Bektashism in the Balkans is not exactly related to Chepni population. Almost all the Balkan Dervishes who are not necessarily Chepni, actually most of them were of Khorasani, were Bektashi. Expectedly all of the Balkan Muslims, except for some Turks(like Tatars or early Yoruks who Sunnified from mainstream Islam) were Bektashi once. They are Sunnified afterward. Around 95% of them should be Sunni today.

**Mejgusu** · 01-16-2021, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Kaspias

Honestly, I don't know the sectarian process of Anatolian Chepni's. But Bektashism in the Balkans is not exactly related to Chepni population. Almost all the Balkan Dervishes who are not necessarily Chepni, actually most of them were of Khorasani, were Bektashi. Expectedly all of the Balkan Muslims, except for some Turks(like Tatars or early Yoruks who Sunnified from mainstream Islam) were Bektashi once. They are Sunnified afterward. Around 95% of them should be Sunni today.

We have also a village with the name of Chepni and if i am not wrong there is the tomb of Haci Bektas descendant(but i am not sure tbh). I don’t know about his tribe just he was a Khorasani Turk.

I hope its not too off topic.

**Kaspias** · 01-20-2021, 07:51 PM

A family from Kardzhali.

Father

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Code:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasus	29.23
2	North_European	23.29
3	Atlantic_Med	18.42
4	Southwest_Asian	9.35
5	Gedrosia	8.77
6	Siberian	5.17
7	East_Asian	5.06
8	Northwest_African	0.49
9	South_Asian	0.22

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	14.81
2	Greek (Dodecad)	14.84
3	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	15.87
4	Romanians (Behar)	16.16
5	O_Italian (Dodecad)	16.37
6	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	17.31
7	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	17.91
8	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	18.6
9	C_Italian (Dodecad)	18.64
10	Sicilian (Dodecad)	18.94
11	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	20.05
12	Tuscan (HGDP)	20.46
13	Turkish (Dodecad)	21.01
14	TSI30 (Metspalu)	21.16
15	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	22.36
16	Turks (Behar)	22.38
17	N_Italian (Dodecad)	23.7
18	Morocco_Jews (Behar)	24.12
19	Kumyks (Yunusbayev)	24.34
20	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	25.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	 	69.8%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	30.2%	Uzbeks (Behar)	@	5.56
2	 	62.9%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	37.1%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	5.86
3	 	55.7%	O_Italian (Dodecad)	+	44.3%	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	@	6.1
4	 	68%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	32%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	6.21
5	 	66.7%	Turks (Behar)	+	33.3%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	6.27
6	 	68.2%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	31.8%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	6.29
7	 	66.5%	Turks (Behar)	+	33.5%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	6.35
8	 	65.1%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	34.9%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	6.44
9	 	60.5%	Turks (Behar)	+	39.5%	German (Dodecad)	@	6.55
10	 	63.9%	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	+	36.1%	Chuvashs (Behar)	@	6.59
11	 	56.7%	Turks (Behar)	+	43.3%	Hungarians (Behar)	@	6.76
12	 	62.2%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	37.8%	German (Dodecad)	@	6.81
13	 	68.6%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	31.4%	Chuvashs (Behar)	@	6.87
14	 	74.8%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	25.2%	Uygur (HGDP)	@	6.92
15	 	62.9%	Romanians (Behar)	+	37.1%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	6.95
16	 	58.5%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	41.5%	Hungarians (Behar)	@	6.95
17	 	75.7%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	24.3%	Hazara (HGDP)	@	7.06
18	 	70.5%	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	+	29.5%	Chuvashs (Behar)	@	7.11
19	 	63.3%	Turks (Behar)	+	36.7%	Dutch (Dodecad)	@	7.21
20	 	54.7%	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	+	45.3%	N_Italian (Dodecad)	@	7.29

Code:

[1,] "69.7% Greek_Rumelia + 30.3% Turkmen_TKM"              "3.5529"
 [2,] "71.5% Greek_Rumelia + 28.5% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"       "3.6049"
 [3,] "74.5% Greek_Rumelia + 25.5% Turkmen_Afghanistan"      "3.7517"
 [4,] "67.2% Greek_Thessaloniki + 32.8% Turkmen_TKM"         "3.7579"
 [5,] "68.5% Greek_Thrace_avg + 31.5% Turkmen_TKM"           "3.8831"
 [6,] "77% Greek_Rumelia + 23% Uzbeks"                       "3.9079"
 [7,] "69.2% Greek_Thessaloniki + 30.8% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"  "4.086" 
 [8,] "70.5% Greek_Thrace_avg + 29.5% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"    "4.1483"
 [9,] "73.6% Greek_Thrace_avg + 26.4% Turkmen_Afghanistan"   "4.1594"
[10,] "70% Bulgarian_Thrace + 30% Turkmen_TKM"               "4.1694"
[11,] "72.4% Greek_Thessaloniki + 27.6% Turkmen_Afghanistan" "4.1787"
[12,] "69.9% Greek_Rumelia + 30.1% Turkmen_Iran"             "4.1836"
[13,] "74.1% Greek_Rumelia + 25.9% Uzbek"                    "4.1843"
[14,] "71.8% Bulgarian_Thrace + 28.2% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"    "4.218" 
[15,] "80.2% Greek_Rumelia + 19.8% Karluk_DA222"             "4.2202"
[16,] "68.8% Greek_Rumelia + 31.2% Kipchak_DA179"            "4.2665"
[17,] "76.1% Greek_Thrace_avg + 23.9% Uzbeks"                "4.3151"
[18,] "75% Greek_Thessaloniki + 25% Uzbeks"                  "4.3418"
[19,] "67.3% Greek_Thessaloniki + 32.7% Turkmen_Iran"        "4.3536"
[20,] "69.9% Bulgarian_Thrace + 30.1% Turkmen_Iran"          "4.3691"

Mother

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Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasus	28.48
2	North_European	24.32
3	Atlantic_Med	18.63
4	Southwest_Asian	8.88
5	Gedrosia	7.62
6	East_Asian	6.27
7	Siberian	3.92
8	South_Asian	1.3
9	East_African	0.29
10	Northwest_African	0.18
11	Southeast_Asian	0.11

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	13.8
2	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	14.84
3	Romanians (Behar)	14.99
4	Greek (Dodecad)	15.12
5	O_Italian (Dodecad)	16.25
6	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	17.98
7	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	18.54
8	C_Italian (Dodecad)	18.82
9	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	19.3
10	Sicilian (Dodecad)	19.6
11	Tuscan (HGDP)	20.37
12	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	20.67
13	TSI30 (Metspalu)	21.06
14	Turkish (Dodecad)	22.4
15	N_Italian (Dodecad)	23.28
16	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	23.35
17	Turks (Behar)	23.86
18	Morocco_Jews (Behar)	25.02
19	Kumyks (Yunusbayev)	25.47
20	North_Italian (HGDP)	25.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	 	65.7%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	34.3%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	5.82
2	 	69.5%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	30.5%	Uzbeks (Behar)	@	5.96
3	 	76.7%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	23.3%	Hazara (HGDP)	@	6.12
4	 	68%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	32%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	6.38
5	 	72.1%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	27.9%	Uzbeks (Behar)	@	6.49
6	 	75.3%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	24.7%	Hazara (HGDP)	@	6.57
7	 	74%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	26%	Uygur (HGDP)	@	6.67
8	 	65.9%	Romanians (Behar)	+	34.1%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	6.68
9	 	56.9%	O_Italian (Dodecad)	+	43.1%	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	@	6.79
10	 	66%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	34%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	6.83
11	 	70.5%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	29.5%	Uzbeks (Behar)	@	6.89
12	 	76.3%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	23.7%	Uygur (HGDP)	@	6.94
13	 	66.2%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	33.8%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	6.99
14	 	64.5%	Turks (Behar)	+	35.5%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	7.16
15	 	64.7%	Turks (Behar)	+	35.3%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	7.17
16	 	53.9%	Turks (Behar)	+	46.1%	Hungarians (Behar)	@	7.23
17	 	55.6%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	44.4%	Hungarians (Behar)	@	7.26
18	 	58%	Turks (Behar)	+	42%	German (Dodecad)	@	7.27
19	 	75.4%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	24.6%	Hazara (HGDP)	@	7.31
20	 	59.7%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	40.3%	German (Dodecad)	@	7.35

Code:

 [1,] "77% Greek_Rumelia + 23% Uzbeks"                       "3.1524"
 [2,] "80.1% Greek_Rumelia + 19.9% Uyghur"                   "3.4131"
 [3,] "68.6% Greek_Rumelia + 31.4% Kipchak_DA179"            "3.4476"
 [4,] "75.1% Greek_Rumelia + 24.9% Turkmen_Afghanistan"      "3.5775"
 [5,] "75.1% Greek_Thessaloniki + 24.9% Uzbeks"              "3.6107"
 [6,] "74.3% Greek_Rumelia + 25.7% Uzbek"                    "3.6488"
 [7,] "70.7% Greek_Rumelia + 29.3% Turkmen_TKM"              "3.6845"
 [8,] "76.1% Greek_Thrace_avg + 23.9% Uzbeks"                "3.7181"
 [9,] "66.1% Greek_Thessaloniki + 33.9% Kipchak_DA179"       "3.7561"
[10,] "77.5% Bulgarian_Thrace + 22.5% Uzbeks"                "3.7996"
[11,] "81.6% Greek_Rumelia + 18.4% Hazara"                   "3.8025"
[12,] "78.6% Greek_Rumelia + 21.4% Karluk_DA230"             "3.8207"
[13,] "79.5% Greek_Rumelia + 20.5% Karakalpak"               "3.8247"
[14,] "68.1% Greek_Thessaloniki + 31.9% Turkmen_TKM"         "3.8949"
[15,] "67.5% Greek_Thrace_avg + 32.5% Kipchak_DA179"         "3.975" 
[16,] "72.1% Greek_Thessaloniki + 27.9% Uzbek"               "3.9752"
[17,] "72.9% Greek_Thessaloniki + 27.1% Turkmen_Afghanistan" "4.008" 
[18,] "80.6% Bulgarian_Thrace + 19.4% Uyghur"                "4.0432"
[19,] "74.1% Greek_Thrace_avg + 25.9% Turkmen_Afghanistan"   "4.0867"
[20,] "75.5% Bulgarian_Thrace + 24.5% Turkmen_Afghanistan"   "4.0901"

Child

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Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasus	29.76
2	North_European	20.81
3	Atlantic_Med	20.37
4	Gedrosia	9.75
5	Southwest_Asian	7.8
6	East_Asian	5.3
7	Siberian	3.47
8	South_Asian	1.96
9	East_African	0.66
10	Northwest_African	0.12

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Greek (Dodecad)	13.48
2	O_Italian (Dodecad)	14.58
3	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	15.72
4	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	15.83
5	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	16.36
6	C_Italian (Dodecad)	16.45
7	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	16.46
8	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	16.8
9	Sicilian (Dodecad)	16.8
10	Romanians (Behar)	17.07
11	Tuscan (HGDP)	18.23
12	TSI30 (Metspalu)	19.09
13	Turkish (Dodecad)	19.79
14	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	20.52
15	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	20.96
16	Turks (Behar)	21.41
17	N_Italian (Dodecad)	22.07
18	Morocco_Jews (Behar)	22.34
19	Kumyks (Yunusbayev)	24.28
20	North_Italian (HGDP)	24.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	 	71.6%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	28.4%	Uzbeks (Behar)	@	3.82
2	 	59.6%	O_Italian (Dodecad)	+	40.4%	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	@	4.59
3	 	76.4%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	23.6%	Hazara (HGDP)	@	4.65
4	 	70%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	30%	Tajiks (Yunusbayev)	@	4.73
5	 	75.9%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	24.1%	Uygur (HGDP)	@	4.83
6	 	69.8%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	30.2%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	5.34
7	 	66%	Turks (Behar)	+	34%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	@	5.46
8	 	66.1%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	33.9%	Dutch (Dodecad)	@	5.47
9	 	67.9%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	32.1%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	@	5.48
10	 	68.6%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	31.4%	Orkney (1000Genomes)	@	5.51
11	 	68.5%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	31.5%	Orcadian (HGDP)	@	5.59
12	 	64.2%	Turks (Behar)	+	35.8%	Dutch (Dodecad)	@	5.59
13	 	67.1%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	32.9%	English (Dodecad)	@	5.6
14	 	67%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	33%	CEU30 (1000Genomes)	@	5.61
15	 	68.4%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	31.6%	Irish (Dodecad)	@	5.63
16	 	64.9%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	35.1%	Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)	@	5.63
17	 	66.8%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	33.2%	Kent (1000Genomes)	@	5.66
18	 	65.2%	Turks (Behar)	+	34.8%	English (Dodecad)	@	5.67
19	 	64.9%	Turks (Behar)	+	35.1%	Kent (1000Genomes)	@	5.67
20	 	65.1%	Turks (Behar)	+	34.9%	CEU30 (1000Genomes)	@	5.67

Code:

 [1,] "65% Albanian + 35% Turkmen_Iran"                     "2.0864"
 [2,] "67.2% Greek_Thessaloniki + 32.8% Turkmen_Iran"       "2.273" 
 [3,] "67.2% Greek_Northeast + 32.8% Turkmen_Iran"          "2.547" 
 [4,] "68.5% Greek_Thrace_avg + 31.5% Turkmen_Iran"         "2.6147"
 [5,] "65.9% Albanian + 34.1% Turkmen_TKM"                  "2.7108"
 [6,] "69.7% Greek_Thessaloniki + 30.3% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "2.8227"
 [7,] "62.8% Albanian_Kosovo + 37.2% Turkmen_Iran"          "2.9218"
 [8,] "68.2% Greek_Thessaloniki + 31.8% Turkmen_TKM"        "2.9859"
 [9,] "67.7% Albanian + 32.3% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"           "3.0227"
[10,] "71% Greek_Thrace_avg + 29% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"       "3.0674"
[11,] "69.4% Greek_Rumelia + 30.6% Turkmen_Iran"            "3.0922"
[12,] "62.4% Greek_Thrace_avg + 37.6% Ottoman_MA2196"       "3.1151"
[13,] "71.7% Greek_Rumelia + 28.3% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"      "3.1501"
[14,] "63.1% Bulgarian_Thrace + 36.9% Ottoman_MA2196"       "3.2128"
[15,] "63.2% Greek_Rumelia + 36.8% Ottoman_MA2196"          "3.2155"
[16,] "61.1% Greek_Thessaloniki + 38.9% Ottoman_MA2196"     "3.2209"
[17,] "69.5% Greek_Thrace_avg + 30.5% Turkmen_TKM"          "3.26"  
[18,] "69.4% Bulgarian_Thrace + 30.6% Turkmen_Iran"         "3.3048"
[19,] "68.3% Greek_Northeast + 31.7% Turkmen_TKM"           "3.3236"
[20,] "61.1% Greek_Northeast + 38.9% Ottoman_MA2196"        "3.346"

**Mejgusu** · 01-20-2021, 08:21 PM

Is that normal that someone shows less(or in other cases more) east eurasian admixture than it must be? Also ther components seem to be different than expected.

**Abriekman** · 01-20-2021, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Kaspias

A family from Kardzhali.

Father

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Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasus	29.23
2	North_European	23.29
3	Atlantic_Med	18.42
4	Southwest_Asian	9.35
5	Gedrosia	8.77
6	Siberian	5.17
7	East_Asian	5.06
8	Northwest_African	0.49
9	South_Asian	0.22

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	14.81
2	Greek (Dodecad)	14.84
3	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	15.87
4	Romanians (Behar)	16.16
5	O_Italian (Dodecad)	16.37
6	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	17.31
7	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	17.91
8	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	18.6
9	C_Italian (Dodecad)	18.64
10	Sicilian (Dodecad)	18.94
11	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	20.05
12	Tuscan (HGDP)	20.46
13	Turkish (Dodecad)	21.01
14	TSI30 (Metspalu)	21.16
15	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	22.36
16	Turks (Behar)	22.38
17	N_Italian (Dodecad)	23.7
18	Morocco_Jews (Behar)	24.12
19	Kumyks (Yunusbayev)	24.34
20	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	25.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	 	69.8%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	30.2%	Uzbeks (Behar)	@	5.56
2	 	62.9%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	37.1%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	5.86
3	 	55.7%	O_Italian (Dodecad)	+	44.3%	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	@	6.1
4	 	68%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	32%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	6.21
5	 	66.7%	Turks (Behar)	+	33.3%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	6.27
6	 	68.2%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	31.8%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	6.29
7	 	66.5%	Turks (Behar)	+	33.5%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	6.35
8	 	65.1%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	34.9%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	6.44
9	 	60.5%	Turks (Behar)	+	39.5%	German (Dodecad)	@	6.55
10	 	63.9%	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	+	36.1%	Chuvashs (Behar)	@	6.59
11	 	56.7%	Turks (Behar)	+	43.3%	Hungarians (Behar)	@	6.76
12	 	62.2%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	37.8%	German (Dodecad)	@	6.81
13	 	68.6%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	31.4%	Chuvashs (Behar)	@	6.87
14	 	74.8%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	25.2%	Uygur (HGDP)	@	6.92
15	 	62.9%	Romanians (Behar)	+	37.1%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	6.95
16	 	58.5%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	41.5%	Hungarians (Behar)	@	6.95
17	 	75.7%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	24.3%	Hazara (HGDP)	@	7.06
18	 	70.5%	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	+	29.5%	Chuvashs (Behar)	@	7.11
19	 	63.3%	Turks (Behar)	+	36.7%	Dutch (Dodecad)	@	7.21
20	 	54.7%	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	+	45.3%	N_Italian (Dodecad)	@	7.29

Code:

[1,] "69.7% Greek_Rumelia + 30.3% Turkmen_TKM"              "3.5529"
 [2,] "71.5% Greek_Rumelia + 28.5% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"       "3.6049"
 [3,] "74.5% Greek_Rumelia + 25.5% Turkmen_Afghanistan"      "3.7517"
 [4,] "67.2% Greek_Thessaloniki + 32.8% Turkmen_TKM"         "3.7579"
 [5,] "68.5% Greek_Thrace_avg + 31.5% Turkmen_TKM"           "3.8831"
 [6,] "77% Greek_Rumelia + 23% Uzbeks"                       "3.9079"
 [7,] "69.2% Greek_Thessaloniki + 30.8% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"  "4.086" 
 [8,] "70.5% Greek_Thrace_avg + 29.5% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"    "4.1483"
 [9,] "73.6% Greek_Thrace_avg + 26.4% Turkmen_Afghanistan"   "4.1594"
[10,] "70% Bulgarian_Thrace + 30% Turkmen_TKM"               "4.1694"
[11,] "72.4% Greek_Thessaloniki + 27.6% Turkmen_Afghanistan" "4.1787"
[12,] "69.9% Greek_Rumelia + 30.1% Turkmen_Iran"             "4.1836"
[13,] "74.1% Greek_Rumelia + 25.9% Uzbek"                    "4.1843"
[14,] "71.8% Bulgarian_Thrace + 28.2% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"    "4.218" 
[15,] "80.2% Greek_Rumelia + 19.8% Karluk_DA222"             "4.2202"
[16,] "68.8% Greek_Rumelia + 31.2% Kipchak_DA179"            "4.2665"
[17,] "76.1% Greek_Thrace_avg + 23.9% Uzbeks"                "4.3151"
[18,] "75% Greek_Thessaloniki + 25% Uzbeks"                  "4.3418"
[19,] "67.3% Greek_Thessaloniki + 32.7% Turkmen_Iran"        "4.3536"
[20,] "69.9% Bulgarian_Thrace + 30.1% Turkmen_Iran"          "4.3691"

Mother

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Code:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasus	28.48
2	North_European	24.32
3	Atlantic_Med	18.63
4	Southwest_Asian	8.88
5	Gedrosia	7.62
6	East_Asian	6.27
7	Siberian	3.92
8	South_Asian	1.3
9	East_African	0.29
10	Northwest_African	0.18
11	Southeast_Asian	0.11

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	13.8
2	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	14.84
3	Romanians (Behar)	14.99
4	Greek (Dodecad)	15.12
5	O_Italian (Dodecad)	16.25
6	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	17.98
7	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	18.54
8	C_Italian (Dodecad)	18.82
9	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	19.3
10	Sicilian (Dodecad)	19.6
11	Tuscan (HGDP)	20.37
12	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	20.67
13	TSI30 (Metspalu)	21.06
14	Turkish (Dodecad)	22.4
15	N_Italian (Dodecad)	23.28
16	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	23.35
17	Turks (Behar)	23.86
18	Morocco_Jews (Behar)	25.02
19	Kumyks (Yunusbayev)	25.47
20	North_Italian (HGDP)	25.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	 	65.7%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	34.3%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	5.82
2	 	69.5%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	30.5%	Uzbeks (Behar)	@	5.96
3	 	76.7%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	23.3%	Hazara (HGDP)	@	6.12
4	 	68%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	32%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	6.38
5	 	72.1%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	27.9%	Uzbeks (Behar)	@	6.49
6	 	75.3%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	24.7%	Hazara (HGDP)	@	6.57
7	 	74%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	26%	Uygur (HGDP)	@	6.67
8	 	65.9%	Romanians (Behar)	+	34.1%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	6.68
9	 	56.9%	O_Italian (Dodecad)	+	43.1%	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	@	6.79
10	 	66%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	34%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	6.83
11	 	70.5%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	29.5%	Uzbeks (Behar)	@	6.89
12	 	76.3%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	23.7%	Uygur (HGDP)	@	6.94
13	 	66.2%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	33.8%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	6.99
14	 	64.5%	Turks (Behar)	+	35.5%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	7.16
15	 	64.7%	Turks (Behar)	+	35.3%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	7.17
16	 	53.9%	Turks (Behar)	+	46.1%	Hungarians (Behar)	@	7.23
17	 	55.6%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	44.4%	Hungarians (Behar)	@	7.26
18	 	58%	Turks (Behar)	+	42%	German (Dodecad)	@	7.27
19	 	75.4%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	24.6%	Hazara (HGDP)	@	7.31
20	 	59.7%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	40.3%	German (Dodecad)	@	7.35

Code:

 [1,] "77% Greek_Rumelia + 23% Uzbeks"                       "3.1524"
 [2,] "80.1% Greek_Rumelia + 19.9% Uyghur"                   "3.4131"
 [3,] "68.6% Greek_Rumelia + 31.4% Kipchak_DA179"            "3.4476"
 [4,] "75.1% Greek_Rumelia + 24.9% Turkmen_Afghanistan"      "3.5775"
 [5,] "75.1% Greek_Thessaloniki + 24.9% Uzbeks"              "3.6107"
 [6,] "74.3% Greek_Rumelia + 25.7% Uzbek"                    "3.6488"
 [7,] "70.7% Greek_Rumelia + 29.3% Turkmen_TKM"              "3.6845"
 [8,] "76.1% Greek_Thrace_avg + 23.9% Uzbeks"                "3.7181"
 [9,] "66.1% Greek_Thessaloniki + 33.9% Kipchak_DA179"       "3.7561"
[10,] "77.5% Bulgarian_Thrace + 22.5% Uzbeks"                "3.7996"
[11,] "81.6% Greek_Rumelia + 18.4% Hazara"                   "3.8025"
[12,] "78.6% Greek_Rumelia + 21.4% Karluk_DA230"             "3.8207"
[13,] "79.5% Greek_Rumelia + 20.5% Karakalpak"               "3.8247"
[14,] "68.1% Greek_Thessaloniki + 31.9% Turkmen_TKM"         "3.8949"
[15,] "67.5% Greek_Thrace_avg + 32.5% Kipchak_DA179"         "3.975" 
[16,] "72.1% Greek_Thessaloniki + 27.9% Uzbek"               "3.9752"
[17,] "72.9% Greek_Thessaloniki + 27.1% Turkmen_Afghanistan" "4.008" 
[18,] "80.6% Bulgarian_Thrace + 19.4% Uyghur"                "4.0432"
[19,] "74.1% Greek_Thrace_avg + 25.9% Turkmen_Afghanistan"   "4.0867"
[20,] "75.5% Bulgarian_Thrace + 24.5% Turkmen_Afghanistan"   "4.0901"

Child

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Code:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasus	29.76
2	North_European	20.81
3	Atlantic_Med	20.37
4	Gedrosia	9.75
5	Southwest_Asian	7.8
6	East_Asian	5.3
7	Siberian	3.47
8	South_Asian	1.96
9	East_African	0.66
10	Northwest_African	0.12

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Greek (Dodecad)	13.48
2	O_Italian (Dodecad)	14.58
3	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	15.72
4	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	15.83
5	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	16.36
6	C_Italian (Dodecad)	16.45
7	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	16.46
8	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	16.8
9	Sicilian (Dodecad)	16.8
10	Romanians (Behar)	17.07
11	Tuscan (HGDP)	18.23
12	TSI30 (Metspalu)	19.09
13	Turkish (Dodecad)	19.79
14	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	20.52
15	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	20.96
16	Turks (Behar)	21.41
17	N_Italian (Dodecad)	22.07
18	Morocco_Jews (Behar)	22.34
19	Kumyks (Yunusbayev)	24.28
20	North_Italian (HGDP)	24.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	 	71.6%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	28.4%	Uzbeks (Behar)	@	3.82
2	 	59.6%	O_Italian (Dodecad)	+	40.4%	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	@	4.59
3	 	76.4%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	23.6%	Hazara (HGDP)	@	4.65
4	 	70%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	30%	Tajiks (Yunusbayev)	@	4.73
5	 	75.9%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	24.1%	Uygur (HGDP)	@	4.83
6	 	69.8%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	30.2%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	5.34
7	 	66%	Turks (Behar)	+	34%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	@	5.46
8	 	66.1%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	33.9%	Dutch (Dodecad)	@	5.47
9	 	67.9%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	32.1%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	@	5.48
10	 	68.6%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	31.4%	Orkney (1000Genomes)	@	5.51
11	 	68.5%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	31.5%	Orcadian (HGDP)	@	5.59
12	 	64.2%	Turks (Behar)	+	35.8%	Dutch (Dodecad)	@	5.59
13	 	67.1%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	32.9%	English (Dodecad)	@	5.6
14	 	67%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	33%	CEU30 (1000Genomes)	@	5.61
15	 	68.4%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	31.6%	Irish (Dodecad)	@	5.63
16	 	64.9%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	35.1%	Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)	@	5.63
17	 	66.8%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	33.2%	Kent (1000Genomes)	@	5.66
18	 	65.2%	Turks (Behar)	+	34.8%	English (Dodecad)	@	5.67
19	 	64.9%	Turks (Behar)	+	35.1%	Kent (1000Genomes)	@	5.67
20	 	65.1%	Turks (Behar)	+	34.9%	CEU30 (1000Genomes)	@	5.67

Code:

 [1,] "65% Albanian + 35% Turkmen_Iran"                     "2.0864"
 [2,] "67.2% Greek_Thessaloniki + 32.8% Turkmen_Iran"       "2.273" 
 [3,] "67.2% Greek_Northeast + 32.8% Turkmen_Iran"          "2.547" 
 [4,] "68.5% Greek_Thrace_avg + 31.5% Turkmen_Iran"         "2.6147"
 [5,] "65.9% Albanian + 34.1% Turkmen_TKM"                  "2.7108"
 [6,] "69.7% Greek_Thessaloniki + 30.3% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "2.8227"
 [7,] "62.8% Albanian_Kosovo + 37.2% Turkmen_Iran"          "2.9218"
 [8,] "68.2% Greek_Thessaloniki + 31.8% Turkmen_TKM"        "2.9859"
 [9,] "67.7% Albanian + 32.3% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"           "3.0227"
[10,] "71% Greek_Thrace_avg + 29% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"       "3.0674"
[11,] "69.4% Greek_Rumelia + 30.6% Turkmen_Iran"            "3.0922"
[12,] "62.4% Greek_Thrace_avg + 37.6% Ottoman_MA2196"       "3.1151"
[13,] "71.7% Greek_Rumelia + 28.3% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"      "3.1501"
[14,] "63.1% Bulgarian_Thrace + 36.9% Ottoman_MA2196"       "3.2128"
[15,] "63.2% Greek_Rumelia + 36.8% Ottoman_MA2196"          "3.2155"
[16,] "61.1% Greek_Thessaloniki + 38.9% Ottoman_MA2196"     "3.2209"
[17,] "69.5% Greek_Thrace_avg + 30.5% Turkmen_TKM"          "3.26"  
[18,] "69.4% Bulgarian_Thrace + 30.6% Turkmen_Iran"         "3.3048"
[19,] "68.3% Greek_Northeast + 31.7% Turkmen_TKM"           "3.3236"
[20,] "61.1% Greek_Northeast + 38.9% Ottoman_MA2196"        "3.346"

Why is primary population Greek, but not Bulgarian?

**~~Dirdepo~~** · 01-20-2021, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Abriekman

Why is primary population Greek, but not Bulgarian?

There is some Bulgarian in the oracle, it has equal proportions with Greek when you add Turkmen proxy

**Abriekman** · 01-20-2021, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dirdepo

There is some Bulgarian in the oracle, it has equal proportions with Greek when you add Turkmen proxy

Are you sure it is equal? Greeks are more East Med and not Turkmens nor Bulgarians have such high percentage if this component
Nice signature you have

I can be 95% Polish and 5% Sudanese on Gedmatch calculators if I want

**~~Dirdepo~~** · 01-20-2021, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Abriekman

Are you sure it is equal? Greeks are more East Med and bit Turkmens nor Bulgarians have such high percentage if this component
Nice signature you have

I can be 95% Polish and 5% Sudanese on Gedmatch calculators if I want

I can be 99.7% Ukrainian as my highest. Bulgarian and Greek are similar they are just converted eachother. You can see in the numbers is obvious.

Man I seen your results before, we are somewhat similar. The main difference I have minimally higher EHG + Iberomaurusian and you have minimally higher Farmer + Corded Ware

**Abriekman** · 01-20-2021, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by Dirdepo

I can be 99.7% Ukrainian as my highest. Bulgarian and Greek are similar they are just converted eachother. You can see in the numbers is obvious.

Man I seen your results before, we are somewhat similar. The main difference I have minimally higher EHG + Iberomaurusian and you have minimally higher Farmer + Corded Ware

Greeks are less Slavic, this is main difference.

How do you know my results? Never posted ancient G25 or Gedmatch results.

I feel like you're that Moldovlah user from Anthrogenica