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Thread: Is Mtdna relatively constant/homogenous across Europe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treffie View Post
    Discovering that your female ancestors were used as sex toys isn't boring
    They were??

    I thought the spread of Mtdna haplogroups was so unremarkable because women moved between tribes more readily than men who basically considered themselves to be the tribes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gold_fenix View Post
    ssssssstrange craneal feature (occipital bun) who is only often in finns, basqes and samis and almost inexistent in modern europeans
    Got any pics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gold_fenix View Post
    mmm curious that last date
    basques and sami problably the oldest europeans and both have a extrange craneal feature (occipital bun) who is only often in finns, basqes and samis and almost inexistent in modern europeans
    I've got like a weird flat area at the back of my head just down from the peak of it. It's like someone's hit it with a spade or something. What would that be?

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    common occiput in dolicocephalic, this is normal


    occipital bun, rounded bundle between neck and head

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    I have that. I'm probably mesocephalic. I've never shaved my head so I don't know if it would show up like that - I can just feel it on the back of my head.

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    I have that to, but little not so prominent.

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    Same for me , i've got this pointed bump in the back of the skull .

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    Quote Originally Posted by gandalf View Post
    Same for me , i've got this pointed bump in the back of the skull .
    Me as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zack View Post
    Me as well.
    Most Europid males seem to have it, the degree is more important.

    Anyway, mtDNA seems to vary too, with the most important aspect being the rate of non-Europid, non-European and old-European (pre-Neolithic) variants, especially old-European/Mesolithic in Northern and North Eastern Europe.

    The latter being most common in very specific populations it seems, especially if talking about U4 and even more U5.

    Both seem to be most common among Finno-Ugrian and respectively influenced populations.

    U4 is most common in Bashkirs and Volga-Finns, U5 in Finns. I think that speaks for itself. That doesn't have to mean a specific haplogroup like U5 was only present in a certain region and time (Mesolithic Northern Europe), but at least the frequencies changed in regions, populations and over time. So U5 might have been present elsewhere too, but it was just so absolutely dominant in Northern Mesolithics.

    Recently a author called lineages pre-Neolithic AND local for Western Europe, for which I doubt it, like explained here:
    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35827

    In any case, there seems to have been a predominance of related male groups (patrilinear, patrilocal, patriarchal), so many changes seem to have been at least MORE male transmitted and the winner just took most local females, but eliminated or at least put down the local males or took local females even from peaceful neighbours or allies, but kept the male kin together...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
    That's why Mtdna is boring.
    My mom is not boring


    Quote Originally Posted by Treffie View Post
    Discovering that your female ancestors were used as sex toys isn't boring
    Nor is she a sex toy


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