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    Quote Originally Posted by Bender1999 View Post
    Nur an Bayram und dieses Jahr ist es ausgefallen. Bin gläubiger Moslem aber will nicht in einem Land leben wo man mich umbringt weil ich mit einer Frau Händchen halte.
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    Ob Moslem oder Christ, Gottes Wort steht über den Gesetzen die von Menschen geschaffen worden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
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    Ob Moslem oder Christ, Gottes Wort steht über den Gesetzen die von Menschen geschaffen worden.
    Ein Staat der seinen Leuten die Religion aufzwingt sorgt nur dafür, dass sich das Volk vom Glauben abwendet. Das sieht man im Iran und in der Türkei. Zudem glaube ich, dass jeder Gottes Worte für such selber interpretiert, nenn ihn Yahwe, Gott, Allah oder sonst was.

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    We're living in a world where the rationalists and traditionalists clash. Radical Christians like Teutone are no different than Sharia law supporters as it can be seen.

    Secularism will win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bender1999 View Post
    Ein Staat der seinen Leuten die Religion aufzwingt sorgt nur dafür, dass sich das Volk vom Glauben abwendet. Das sieht man im Iran und in der Türkei. Zudem glaube ich, dass jeder Gottes Worte für such selber interpretiert, nenn ihn Yahwe, Gott, Allah oder sonst was.
    Klingt 1:1 wie ein schwuler Priester der EKD

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    Noch nie einen Türken wie dich erlebt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    Klingt 1:1 wie ein schwuler Priester der EKD

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    Noch nie einen Türken wie dich erlebt.
    Was ich damit sagen wollte, mir ist es egal an was andere glauben, solange es gute Menschen sind. Du wirst jede Menge Moslems hier finden die auf religiös tun aber jede erdenkliche Regel brechen. Und erst Recht solltest du sowas von einem Türken gehört haben, obwohl wir ein religiöses Volk sind, gehört Säkularismus zu unserer Kultur dazu. Religion ist Privatsache.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itilvolga View Post
    No, because I don’t believe Sharia is the word of God. The Umayyads wrapped their pre-Islamic Bedouin Arab traditions with some Islamic provisions, attributing it to God under the name of Sharia, and corrupted this concept as “God's law”. Many Sharia laws were excisted before Islam in the region after all.
    If they were capable of doing that, what stopped them from fabricating the whole Qur'an?

    People who want to take the hadeeth and Sunnah out of Islam wanna keep the bones but remove the "meat" so they can replace it with their own meat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    If they were capable of doing that, what stopped them from fabricating the whole Qur'an?

    People who want to take the hadeeth and Sunnah out of Islam wanna keep the bones but remove the "meat" so they can replace it with their own meat.
    How can we know that they didn't try? The oldest Qur'an's existence date is 8th century, approximately 100 years after Mohammad’s death and the oldest one, Yemen edition differs from today's Cairo edition in many aspects.

    In the other hand, about hadeeth and sunnah, Qur'an says: "Say, O Prophet,“Should I seek a judge other than Allah while he is the one who has revealed for you the book ˹with the truth˺ perfectly explained?” Those who were given the Scripture know that it has been revealed to you from your Lord in truth. So do not be one of those who doubt." (6:114)
    But you seek for another source, that are almost impossible to stay pure after centuries in terms of different aalims' interpretations. Also saying Qur'an is a piece of meat instead of a whole body and hadeeth and sunnah are the bones which make it stand up is a kind of Shirk.

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