Romania: the second future gypsy nation in Europe

[Jana]

Powerful! up:

[Ion Basescul]

Oh common man, this whole thread is solely based on speculation and hearsay.

You did exactly what you said you won't do. You said you will quote governmental numbers, but instead you quote NGOs which are directly interested in concocting higher figures because their funding relies on it.

NGOs who worked with the government and World Bank. Wouldn't have gotten published without their approval. The government doesn't want to count more than once in 10 years and even then superficially, so this is why the work is outsourced to those who can do it better.

[ixulescu]

NGOs who worked with the government and World Bank. Wouldn't have gotten published without their approval. The government doesn't want to count more than once in 10 years and even then superficially, so this is why the work is outsourced to those who can do it better.

No NGO in Romania has ever done something even remotely similar to a census. They only do polling, which when it serves own interests is mostly trash.

For your piece of mind I can look up the actual number of gypsy children enrolled in primary school (we'll look at primary school because school abandonment is high after that class level among gypsies).

This has multiple advantages:
* it's from an unbiased source (the government)
* it is census like (every single child in school is counted)
* it doesn't rely on self-identification (school administrators, not children nor parents, have the final say in who is counted as gypsy). Btw, school administrators are also interested in declaring a higher number of Roma children because more resources are given to the school, so it's not going to be an undercount.

[Ion Basescul]

No NGO in Romania has ever done something even remotely similar to a census. They only do polling, which when it serves own interests is mostly trash.

For your piece of mind I can look up the actual number of gypsy children enrolled in primary school (we'll look at primary school because school abandonment is high after that class level among gypsies).

This has multiple advantages:
* it's from an unbiased source (the government)
* it is census like (every single child in school is counted)
* it doesn't rely on self-identification (school administrators, not children nor parents, have the final say in who is counted as gypsy).

Sure, you may post your findings in this thread.

[Chris596]

Since I have 0% South Asian admix, I feel entitled to give my seed to every woman and purify the HUNgAryan nation.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Since I have 0% South Asian admix, I feel entitled to give my seed to every woman and purify the HUNgAryan nation.

Doesn't Orban give y'all tax exemption if you have 3 kids either way?

The only acceptable ethnic cleansing method.

[Dušan]

are they less gypsies in Belgrade than other parts of the country? I was surprised to see only 2 gypsies in 10 days in Belgrade. They were dressed like everybody else but it was obvious they were gypsy. that was impressive. you have to see Bucharest...is full of them

There are parts of Belgrade where Gypsies live, but it is not downtown and city center, where you probably spent these 10 days.

There are 27.000 Gypsies in Belgrade according to census 2011. Other serious estimate is about 40.000 Gypsies in capital city.
https://mondo.rs/Info/Beograd/a11954...ko-ih-ima.html
Some 2-3% of total population.

Other estimates of "half of million Gypsies in Serbia" is exaggerating.

[CommonSense]

are they less gypsies in Belgrade than other parts of the country? I was surprised to see only 2 gypsies in 10 days in Belgrade. They were dressed like everybody else but it was obvious they were gypsy. that was impressive. you have to see Bucharest...is full of them

It's enough for me to walk 50 m down the street to see at least one and I live in the center.

[Dušan]

In Serbia most Gypsies declared themselves as Serbs on the population census, just as in other countries they declared themsleves to be part of the majority ethnic group. It's enough too take a look at the balance between declared native speakers of the Romani tongue and those who declared as Romani:

https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popis_...Maternji_jezik

So as you can see even though most Gypsies here only speak Serbian (a small minority of them speaks Romanian as their native tongue too) in real life, 100k out of 147 000 self-declared Gypsies speak Romani. Meaning the Gyspies whose native tongue is Serbian (the majority of them) will not write down their true ethnicity on the census, but end up being counted as Serbs instead.

If it true that they are declared themselves as Serbs in large numbers, than fertility rate among Serbs will be much higher than it is.
And how do you know that most of them speak only Serbian?

[CommonSense]

If it true that they are declared themselves as Serbs in large numbers, than fertility rate among Serbs will be much higher than it is.
And how do you know that most of them speak only Serbian?

Because out of the thousands I've seen pass me by, maybe two or three times they spoke something other than Serbian. Or on social media that's how they communicate too. Very few schools have an option for those children to be taught the Romani language and even that's something that started recently out of political correctness.