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    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    You hold Trump by the balls, what else do you want? Any other country in Turkey's shoes would have been heavily sanctioned by now.

    I don't agree that Turkey isn't successful in lobbying:

    Atlantic Council's Turkish links cast shadow over Washington think tank industry

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    Pay to play. @AtlanticCouncil taking money from #Turkey to facilitate TR govt propaganda. Sad, but not surprising. A widely known occurrence in Washington for some time. Great expose by @elianayjohnson

    https://ahvalnews.com/united-states/...-tank-industry
    Turkish Government was giving funds to certain American Universities.
    A few years back when a history Professor who was specialist on Ottoman history he in the past denied Arm genocide but then he later recognised it in one of his books . He was sacked by the particuliar University because Turks threatened to withdraw the funding if they kept him.
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    I hope Russia steps out to help our Christian brothers /sisters in Armenia..
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    Bruh, They don't have to stand for anybody they are their own country. LMAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Niko View Post
    Bruh, They don't have to stand for anybody they are their own country. LMAO
    Indeed. They only care about is themselves which is true for many nations really. Israel would lose it's customer if they had decided to side with the Armenians against the Azeris and the Turks. Btw, Turkey still have very close economic and military relations with Israel. Netanyahu is not an idiot..unlike Trump. He knows how to play his cards very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    I think it has more to do with Iran more than anything. Israel monitors Iran from Azeri bases (drones/infiltration)
    The article made an error, and it's wrong about Iran: Iran is neutral, and they have embassies in both Azerbaijan and Armenia, but Iran gives preferential treatment to Armenia. Iran would like to see them get along better, and it wants Armenia, its stronghold, and Azerbaijan to all flourish.

    Iranian Clerics are stationed in Yerevan's Blue Mosque, which welcomes Iranian Tourists in Armenia. And, Iran finances the preservation and maintenance of Armenian Churches in Iran. Armenian Christians in Iran have their own community centers, schools which teach in the Armenian language, and their Christian lifestyle is encouraged by the government.

    There is healthy economic cooperation and trade between Armenia and Iran. Of the four neighboring countries (Georgia, Turkey, Azerbaijan, and Iran) Iran has the best and most positive relationship.
    Last edited by Armenian Bishop; 10-24-2020 at 01:11 AM.

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    Exclamation Perhaps Armenia isn't as important as some people like think?

    This entire article is terrible. Armenia and Israel have no historical reasons to be allies - "becoz we was both persecuted against" is a terrible reason to be allied with someone. Many Armenians are anti-Semites and hate Israel.

    Qarabağ has not been in dispute since the fall of the Soviet Union. Its Azerbaijani territory that has been occupied by Armenia. Armenians held a "referendum" that was not authorised and was boycotted by Azeris. On 26 November 1991 the status of the Qarabağ Autonomous Oblast was revoked by the Grand National Assembly of Azerbaijan.

    What Azerbaijan-Iran alliance is this article talking about? Complete nonsense.

    Just because Turkey supports their bros in Azerbaijan liberating their own lands why is that considered pan-Turkism? This article seems to think that Azerbaijan in incapable of doing anything and as if Turkey is behind everything.

    Israel exports (2018):
    Turkey - $1.92B (3.3% of Israels total exports)
    Armenia - $8.3M

    Israel imports (2018)
    Turkey - $6.21B (8.5% of Israels total imports)
    Armenia - $5.73M

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    You hold Trump by the balls, what else do you want? Any other country in Turkey's shoes would have been heavily sanctioned by now.

    I don't agree that Turkey isn't successful in lobbying:

    Atlantic Council's Turkish links cast shadow over Washington think tank industry

    Sinan Ciddi
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    Pay to play. @AtlanticCouncil taking money from #Turkey to facilitate TR govt propaganda. Sad, but not surprising. A widely known occurrence in Washington for some time. Great expose by @elianayjohnson

    https://ahvalnews.com/united-states/...-tank-industry
    Like Sheldon Adelson?
    https://twitter.com/AngeloJohnGage/s...92595763273733

    It's not Iran, Russia or Turkey that is meddling with American politics..it's Israel.
    https://twitter.com/AngeloJohnGage/s...78202468229122

    As people here have noted, Israel doesn't give two flying shits about the Christians in the region when it's not convenient for them to do so, and despite what that Georgian idiot in Turkey likes to say, Turkey still has very strong economic and military ties with Israel. Same with Azerbaijan who is among Israel's top customers for it's military hardware. Armenia doesn't have the oil and gas like Azerbaijan nor does it offer any strategic benefits for Israel against Iran hence they don't find Armenia to be beneficial for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oszkar07 View Post
    Turkish Government was giving funds to certain American Universities.
    A few years back when a history Professor who was specialist on Ottoman history he in the past denied Arm genocide but then he later recognised it in one of his books . He was sacked by the particuliar University because Turks threatened to withdraw the funding if they kept him.
    Thanks for bringing that to our attention, a lot of people don't realize just how deeply that Turkish special interest groups, and Turkey itself has paid to lobby and penetrate into the fabric of American Society. I've known about this a long time. Harut Sassounian, the Editor of the California Courier, has published numerous articles about intrusive Turkish payments to promote their propaganda in American Universities.

    "Institute of Turkish Studies To Close Down in 2020: Good Riddance."
    http://www.thecaliforniacourier.com/...good-riddance/
    Last edited by Armenian Bishop; 10-25-2020 at 06:54 PM.

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    Institute of Turkish Studies To Close Down in 2020: Good Riddance.

    http://www.thecaliforniacourier.com/...good-riddance/

    The Institute of Turkish Studies (ITS), a non-profit organization, was founded in 1983 with $3 million donated by the Government of Turkey in Washington, D.C. ITS issued a press release on May 31, 2019 announcing that it will cease its operations on September 30, 2020.

    This was a surprising announcement for two reasons:

    1) The sum of $3 million is a relatively small amount for the Turkish government having spent tens of millions of dollars to hire public relations and lobbying firms in the United States for many years. Returning the $3 million or whatever is left of it to Turkey will not make a major difference in the country’s financial condition. Turkey needs several hundred billion dollars to recover from its economic collapse.

    2) Despite the boastful press release by the Institute’s leadership about its accomplishments, the withdrawal of the funds by the Turkish government implies that the Institute had failed to meet its propaganda goals. The Turkish government stopped funding ITS in 2015. To make matters worse, the Institute’s leaders acknowledge in their press release that they have not been successful in raising sufficient funds from outside sources to continue the Institute’s operations. In recent years, the ITS received partial financial support from Georgetown University, Koç Holding, FIBA Holding, and Mr. and Mrs. Muhtar Kent (former Board chairman of The Coca-Cola Company), and other individual donors.

    The ITS [Institute for Turkish Studies] press release claims that its grants since 1983 have promoted Turkey and Turkish studies “in 45 US states plus the District of Columbia. Over 130 dissertation-writing grants translated into 70 plus professorial positions at American institutions of higher education, and language and research awards helped prepare at least 235 others who took up teaching and research positions in the United States and elsewhere. Awards to several dozen developing scholars over the last five years will pay further dividends in the future. Nearly 80 US institutions established library/research collections relating to Turkey, or added significantly to existing resources, thanks to ITS funding, and 19 American universities received seed money to support the establishment of new, Turkey-related teaching positions.”

    In recent years, the ITS was located at the offices of the Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service on the campus of Georgetown University in Washington, D.C. The Honorary Chairman of the Institute was the Turkish Ambassador in the U.S.,confirming the close supervision of ITS grants by the Turkish government.

    The Institute of Turkish Studies has been embroiled in a number of scandals, starting with Heath Lowry who was the founder and executive director of the Institute from 1983 to 1993. Lowry was instrumental in preparing and publishing full-page ads in the Washington Post, the New York Times and the Washington Times on May 19, 1985, signed by 69 ‘scholars’ who denied the occurrence of the Armenian Genocide. Lowry subsequently became the Ataturk Professor of Ottoman & Modern Turkish Studies at Princeton University, funded by a $750,000 Turkish government grant.

    I [Sassounian] was the first target of a legal confrontation with the Turkish Institute, after I wrote an editorial in 1985 in The California Courier listing the names of the U.S. scholars and the amount of money they had each received from the Turkish Institute. Interestingly, many of these scholars were the same ones who were given grants by the Turkish Institute. I received a letter from the attorneys of ITS stating that they will sue me for libel unless I published a lengthy retraction which I refused to do. My attorneys informed the Turkish Institute lawyers that their allegation of libel had no merit and informed them that we will file a counter lawsuit. In response, the ITS dropped its threatened lawsuit!

    Then in 1995, an article titled “Professional Ethics and the Denial of Armenian Genocide,” was published in Holocaust and Genocide Studies exposing a letter sent to Prof. Robert Jay Lifton, drafted by ITS Executive Director Heath Lowry in 1990 on behalf of the Turkish Ambassador Nuzhet Kandemir, denying the facts of the Armenian Genocide. Lowry’s draft letter in the name Ambassador was inadvertently sent to Prof. Lifton, causing a major academic scandal.

    In 2006, American professor Donald Quataert resigned from the chairmanship of ITS Board after refusing to obey the Turkish Ambassador’s orders that Turkey would revoke the ITS funding unless Prof. Quataert retracted a scholarly book review in which he had written “what happened to the Armenians readily satisfies the U.N. definition of genocide.” Several other ITS Board members resigned shortly in protest.

    With the announced closing of the Institute of Turkish Studies, there will be one less outlet for Turkish propaganda in the United States distorting the tragic truths of the Armenian Genocide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wvwvw View Post
    You hold Trump by the balls, what else do you want? Any other country in Turkey's shoes would have been heavily sanctioned by now.

    I don't agree that Turkey isn't successful in lobbying:

    Atlantic Council's Turkish links cast shadow over Washington think tank industry

    Sinan Ciddi
    @SinanCiddi
    Pay to play. @AtlanticCouncil taking money from #Turkey to facilitate TR govt propaganda. Sad, but not surprising. A widely known occurrence in Washington for some time. Great expose by @elianayjohnson

    https://ahvalnews.com/united-states/...-tank-industry
    You're Right, and I have plenty of information to back up your claim, about intrusive lobbying activities from Turkey, but also Azerbaijan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kamal900 View Post
    It's not Iran, Russia or Turkey that is meddling with American politics..it's Israel.
    https://twitter.com/AngeloJohnGage/s...78202468229122
    Turkey is meddling neck-deep into American Politics, and Turkey has poured millions of clams into intrusive information war projects and lobby groups. That Turkish Dolt, Xyresic, can use his claptrap all he wants, but he's either wrong or lying, because it has been established that Israel, Turkey, and Azerbaijan have, through the years, engaged in a trilateral information war lobbying alliance (especially in the USA). The only question is whether Jewish lobby interests have currently (presently) turned against Armenian Genocide Denialism, and I'd say that that has already happened.

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