Which of the following ethnic groups to you consider to be European?

[Stegura]

Which of the following peripheral ethnic groups to you consider to be European?

[December]

Gypsies?? Never.
Georgians are in the borderline. I didn't tick Ossetians/Alans not only because they are Iranid, but mostly because of their mercenary attitude in Georgia.

[Stefan]

I have very little knowledge on any of them other than the most basic of things, but I plan on voting soon, once I educate myself. I just want to say that I don't consider Gypsies or Saami as full European, though they might have a considerable amount of ancestry from "ethnic europeans".

[Óttar]

I left out the Romani because they were perceived as foreigners and enslaved since the earliest times with the exception of their obscurity in Byzantium. They maintain many frankly Indic customs. The Tatars I said yes because Attila is recorded as King Atli in the Volsung Saga, and some Germanic tribes adopted Hunnish armor and weaponry along with the custom of elongating the head. All the various groups in the civic boundaries of Russia I checked "Yes."

The Maltese are an interesting case because although they are 98% nominally Roman Catholic and have mixed with various mediterranean population groups, their language is Semetic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maltese_language

I clicked "Yes" for them as well.

[Kadu]

Which of the following peripheral ethnic groups to you consider to be European?

In this kind of poll one should always start by giving the definition of European for the respective context.
What is your definition?

[Stegura]

In this kind of poll one should always start by giving the definition of European for the respective context.
What is your definition?

I define European as being racially, ethnically, and culturally Europid. I don't consider this to be a "Whiteness" poll or anything of that sort.

[Kadu]

I define European as being racially, ethnically, and culturally Europid. I don't consider this to be a "Whiteness" poll or anything of that sort.

Well that's quite complicated to say as you have for example, European Tatars and Asian Tatars.

[Germanicus]

I did not vote any in that poll.....

[Goidelic]

I voted for Saami, Greek Cypriot, Maltese, Mari, Komi and Udmurts. Though, in some there are racial, ethnic & cultural questionable individual ancestries and borderline cases.

Having said that, most Saami look Scandinavian/indistinguishable Northern Germanics and have lots of predominant assimilated Scandinavian ancestry. The language of the Saami people is Uralic but has lots of Finno-Ugric influence, hence predominant Indo-European/Prehistoric European language. There are some questionable racial, ethnic & cultural ones though

Some Greek Cypriots are somewhat dodgy-looking and borderline, and could have Turkish/Middle Eastern ancestry that is somewhat intermediate in the family. I only consider the ones who look European as well as their ancestors for the past several generations and who are of all Hellenic ancestry. The language of Greek Cypriots is Hellenic aka. Indo-European/Prehistoric European. Here, especially, there are questionable ones and have to look for individual cases.

Some Maltese are somewhat dodgy-looking as well. There are ones of predodminantly Romance European origins - Spanish & Italian, whom I consider to be European. Other Maltese have significant Arab influence, hence not European. The language they speak is basically Indo-European/Prehistoric European even though it has a few Arabic-Semitic influences. Also in this ethnic group, in some cases we have to aim for the individual lines, so individual cases.

The Mari people are basically a Finnic people, living around the Volga river of Russia, hence Volga-Finnic. The Mari have their own language, also called Mari, which is a member of the Finno-Ugric language family. It is written with a modified version of the Cyrillic alphabet. They're basically Euros, and most look Finnic/Northeastern Euro.

The Komi people are fair and generally basically a Finnic derived people as well. The Komi language is one of the two members of the Permic subgroup of the Finno-Ugric branch. The other Permic language is Udmurt, to which Komi is closely related.

Udmurts are Finno-Ugric people that speak the Udmurt language. They generally look fair and are European.

"Finno-Ugric people are original inhabitants of the European and Eurasian north that belong to a separate "Uralic Family" linguistic group. The Finno-Ugric substratum is present over a wide area within and outside Russia, from Norway to the Urals and down to the Black Sea. During the last glaciation, these people roamed east and west along the ice melt, from England to the Urals and beyond. Yes, the British too have a distant Finno-Ugric past, underlying several layers of immigrants to the Isles."

http://uralicac.dot5hosting.com/fgpeople.htm

Komi people:



Udmurt people:







Sami people:









Mari people:





Greek Cypriot (European), Evridiki Theokleous



Maltese (European), Ivan De Battista



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Groups I do not consider European:

*Chuvash - The Chuvash people (Chuvash: чăвашсем, Căvašsem; Russian: чуваши) are a Turkic ethnic group native to the Volga Region of Russian Federation. Most of them live in Republic of Chuvashia and surrounding areas, although distant Chuvash communities may be found as far east as Siberia. Turkic-speaking ancestors of Chuvash people are believed to have come from Central Asia, where they lived in the basin of Irtysh (between Tian Shan and Altay) from at least the end of third millennia BC[Chuvash (Chuvash: Чӑвашла Čăvašla, IPA:*[tɕəʋaʂˈla])[2] is a Turkic language spoken in central Russia, primarily in the Republic of Chuvashia and adjacent areas. It is the only surviving member of the Oghur branch of Turkic languages.

*Gagauz - The Gagauz people are a small Turkic ethnic group living mostly in southern Moldova (Gagauzia), southwestern Ukraine (Budjak) and north-eastern Bulgaria (Dobruja)[7]. Unlike most other Turkic peoples, the Gagauz are predominantly Orthodox Christians. There is a related ethnic group also called Gagavuz (or Gajal) living in the European part of northwestern Turkey.The Gagauz language belongs to the Oghuz branch of the Turkic languages, which also includes the Azeri, Turkish, and Turkmen languages.

*Mordvins- I consider very close to European Komi, Udmurt, Mari people. Mordvins are quite fair and I may consider some European. However, some were Turkified in history so it's actually an exceptional ethnic group in my opinion with some Europeans and some not. Look at these Mordvin women.



*Ossetians - They are too far out of Europe, biogeographically that is also in terms of biogeographic region too. The Ossetians (Ossetic: ирæттæ, irættæ) are an Iranic[8][9][10] ethnic group indigenous to Ossetia, a region that spans the Caucasus Mountains. The Ossetians mostly populate North Ossetia-Alania in Russia, and South Ossetia which is now de facto independent from Georgia. They speak Ossetic, an Indo-European language of the Iranian branch, although nearly all also speak Russian as a second language. The Ossetians are mostly Christian, with a Muslim minority (see: Digor). They speak an Iranian language & most look Middle Eastern/Caucasus.

*Armenians - They are too far out of Europe, biogeographically that is also in terms of biogeographic region too. Some extend Europe out to them. But they are not European in my book. They are really a Middle Eastern/Caucasus people in my book.

*Georgians - They are too far out of Europe, biogeographically that is also in terms of biogeographic region too. Some extend Europe out to them. But they are not European in my book. They are really a Middle Eastern/Caucasus people in my book.

*Tatars - Tatars (Tatar: Tatarlar/Татарлар), sometimes spelled Tartars, are a Turkic [18] ethnic group numbering 10 million in the late 20th Century, including all subgroups of Tatar people, such as Crimean Tatars and Volga Tatars. They are not European, nor will ever be European in my books.

*Gypsies - They are and will never be European. In terms of Irish Gypsies who speak Shelta, I consider some of them European, but not all, as they are genetically native Irish nowadays from centuries of intermarriage between native Irish.

P.S. - This is a fantastic thread Stegura. I might start this over on another forum.

[Falkata]

some random examples of greek cypriots