Did the original Iranians look like Afridun Amu?

[Immanenz]

I don't care about your pseudo-science. We're using our imagination here.

So you are ignoring facts- if you want to reconstruct a look, skull metrics need to be considered. Its like saying a blonde, blue eyed Chinese will have a totally different appearence than someone with a standard pigmentation.

[Immanenz]

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[Vishap]

So you are ignoring facts- if you want to reconstruct a look, skull metrics need to be considered. Its like saying a blonde, blue eyed Chinese will have a totally different appearence than someone with a standard pigmentation.

I'm not saying craniometry is pseudo-science. I approach this issue from a linguistic and genetic perspective. I don't know much about skull metrics. But I'm pretty sure all these phenotypes and their relation to one's race is BS.

[Kyp]

Yagnobi are considered the closest people genetically to the Iranian R1a pastoralists, although this does not mean they have the most ancestry from them. They also have around 7% Mongoloid genes which is not much for Central Asia but more than Early Aryans had.
What's funny is they look a lot closer to rural Southern Azerbaijanis than to other Iranians.

[Immanenz]

I'm not saying craniometry is pseudo-science. I approach this issue from a linguistic and genetic perspective. I don't know much about skull metrics. But I'm pretty sure all these phenotypes and their relation to one's race is BS.

i would not say its complete BS but there are a lot of fallacies. The truth is you cannot exactly reconstruct how people looked like only by skull metrics, but its harder when only use linguistic/ genetic perspective since phenotype can change quickly

[XenophobicPrussian]

Define original Iranian. If we're talking Andronovo/Sintashta, they most likely would've looked like south-east Ukrainians. If you mean the Indo-Iranian speakers that entered the modern borders of Iran for the first time(who would've been mixed with BMAC by then), don't know, probably Tajiks or something.

[xripkan]

There is a considerable genetic (and anthropological) variation among the various Iron Age Iranian peoples.
For example early Scythians of Tagar culture in southern Siberia were very close to modern Finno-Ugric peoples. They are described as Europids with blonde hair and blue eyes.
Those of Central Asia had a considerable amount of BMAC ancestry as TKM_IA sample indicates. They were probably smilar to the most Steppe admixed Iranian-speaking groups of Central Asia but even more Steppe admixed. I would say not much different anthropologically from the individuals of the photos I saw above.
Sarmatians of southern Urals were between these two genetic profiles. They were about 70% Steppe and the rest was a mix of East Eurasian and BMAC ancestry.

[Vishap]

ADMIXTURE and outgroup f3 statistics identified Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers of Western Georgia, just north of the Zagros mountains, as the group genetically most similar to GD13a (Fig. 1B,C), whilst PCA also revealed some affinity with modern Central South Asian populations such as Balochi, Makrani and Brahui (Fig. 1A and Fig. S4).

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep31326



Just like what I thought. Zagrosian herders were somewhere in between CHG and Dravidians. This also supports the Elamo-Dravidian hypothesis.

[Kyp]

ADMIXTURE and outgroup f3 statistics identified Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers of Western Georgia, just north of the Zagros mountains, as the group genetically most similar to GD13a (Fig. 1B,C), whilst PCA also revealed some affinity with modern Central South Asian populations such as Balochi, Makrani and Brahui (Fig. 1A and Fig. S4).

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep31326



Just like what I thought. Zagrosian herders were somewhere in between CHG and Dravidians. This also supports the Elamo-Dravidian hypothesis.

Hypothesized Indian Genetic History:

Australoids (first population)
+ Neolithic Iranians
= Dravidians

Dravidians then were pushed southwards by the Indo-Aryans who were of Indo-European and Neolithic Iranian stock. Hence the north is Indo-Aryan speaking while the south is Dravidian speaking. And yes this supports the theory that the Dravidian homeland was somewhere in South Iran.

[Kyp]

ADMIXTURE and outgroup f3 statistics identified Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers of Western Georgia, just north of the Zagros mountains, as the group genetically most similar to GD13a (Fig. 1B,C), whilst PCA also revealed some affinity with modern Central South Asian populations such as Balochi, Makrani and Brahui (Fig. 1A and Fig. S4).

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep31326



Just like what I thought. Zagrosian herders were somewhere in between CHG and Dravidians. This also supports the Elamo-Dravidian hypothesis.

Hypothesized Indian Genetic History:

Australoids (first population)
+ Neolithic Iranians
= Dravidians

Dravidians then were pushed southwards by the Indo-Aryans who were of Indo-European and Neolithic Iranian stock. Hence the north is Indo-Aryan speaking while the south is Dravidian speaking. And yes this supports the theory that the Dravidian homeland was somewhere in South Iran possible Gedrosia. Even the Sumerians are a possible candidate.