Did the original Iranians look like Afridun Amu?

[Vishap]

I think most people say it is CHG. But definetly some kind of related ancestry. I don't know the exact reasoning for why people say it's CHG so I can't comment on it. Although the calculators pick it up as Iran_Neolithic.

It's also a question on who you consider "Original Iranian". I personally view the Indo-European/BMAC hybridization as the beginning point of the Iranian/Aryan identity. I guess you could also argue that Original Iranians were much more European looking if the Steppe-theory is true.

Because Yamnaya was 1/3(?) CHG and CHG is the closest to Zagros farmer although different. I would consider the branch migrating out of Yamnaya to the east of Caspian the original Indo-Iranian because that's the first of the domino stones but your approach is also correct. IE/BMAC hybrids can be considered the first Iranians, but the out-of-Yamnaya branch must be considered the proto-Indo-Iranians then.

[PaleoEuropean]

I sense too much of South Asian influence in this guy.

Probably more like these guys:

These are too central asian influenced imo.


http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoIranid.html

[Immanenz]

Looks more like a conquered Zagrosian.

Kyp´examples are much better because they were metrically closer to Irano Afgan types- some times being more robust like the latter. Your example has visible local influences, as Kyp already stated.

Here a quote by Coon:
There is one cautionary remark which must be made here, and that is: there is so far no justifiable reason for assuming that the Corded people were Nordics. Their cranial type, as we know it, does approach one or more of the forms which we know, in later times, to have been associated with blondism; but it also approaches those of the Iranian plateau and of Ur, which were probably brunet. Let us withhold judgment, therefore, upon Corded soft parts and pigmentation, and view these remains in the more scientific but less lively light of a skeletal type.

[Vishap]

http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoIranid.html

This is no way proto-Iranian. Typical Zagros farmer look.

[PaleoEuropean]

This is no way proto-Iranian. Typical Zagros farmer look.

I am not saying his example is, i am saying Proto-Iranian is the PaleoIranian look. They were similar to Eurafricanicids. Longbowman is a good example but if I remember his jaw isn't wide enough and he is Euroinfluenced.

[Vishap]

Kyp´examples are much better because they were metrically closer to Irano Afgan types- some times being more robust like the latter. Your example has visible local influences, as Kyp already stated.

Here a quote by Coon:
There is one cautionary remark which must be made here, and that is: there is so far no justifiable reason for assuming that the Corded people were Nordics. Their cranial type, as we know it, does approach one or more of the forms which we know, in later times, to have been associated with blondism; but it also approaches those of the Iranian plateau and of Ur, which were probably brunet. Let us withhold judgment, therefore, upon Corded soft parts and pigmentation, and view these remains in the more scientific but less lively light of a skeletal type.

They looked like Macedonians, Romanians, Gagauz etc 1/2 brunette 1/2 blonde... Blondism = ANE ----> EHG

[Vishap]

I am not saying his example is, i am saying Proto-Iranian is the PaleoIranian look. They were similar to Eurafricanicids. Longbowman is a good example but if I remember his jaw isn't wide enough and he is Euroinfluenced.

This is the typical native Zagrosian look:



BMAC should be then half Yamnaya, half Zagrosian. More or less like a half Ukrainian half Kurdish person. This must be the original Indo-Iranian look. Proto-Indo-Iranians must have looked just like the rest of the Yamnaya related proto-populations.

[Kyp]

This is the typical native Zagrosian look:



BMAC should be then half Yamnaya, half Zagrosian. More or less like a half Ukrainian half Kurdish person. This must be the original Indo-Iranian look. Proto-Indo-Iranians must have looked just like the rest of the Yamnaya related proto-populations.

We dont know if its the ultimate native type, since people of todays Iran are far away from native zagrosians.
Also BMAC originally was similar to Zagros. Aryans were half Yamnaya half BMAC if TKM_IA is an accurate sample and modern Pamiris (without strong East Eurasian influence) still plot similar to TKM_IA, although that doesn't mean they are the same.

Kurds are vastly different from native Zagrosian Farmers or BMAC. It's an ancient people closer to modern Makrani or Baloch people although still very different.

[Vishap]

Kurds are vastly different from native Zagrosian Farmers or BMAC. It's an ancient people closer to modern Makrani or Baloch people although still very different.

Makes sense. I've always thought of the Kurdish (Mesopotamia-dwelling NW Iranians more correctly) bosom as an Elamite (Zagros-Dravidian) + Mannaean (Kura-Araxes) + PPN mix actually.

[Immanenz]

This is no way proto-Iranian. Typical Zagros farmer look.

I think you are making a fool out if yourself here. You post a Proto Iranid with visible Indid and think he is Proto Iranian just because of light eyes and yet Proto Iranids are Farmers... Understand metrics before anything, pigmentation alone cant give the correct answer