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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blade View Post
    Serbs in particular are quite blond. Medium brown hair dominates among these ethnicities, not dark brown
    Serbs quite blond? Is that a joke?
    And SE Europeans excluding Slovenians and north Croats are dark brown haired on average, absolutely not medium brown which is typical for central Europe.


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    Thanks for the time and hard work you have put on this study my friend. It's hard to strapolate to the whole population using relatively small samples, but many similar studies can add up to form a big sample in the future, Rome wasn't built in a day.

    I believe the percentage of light eyes in PT is around 20-25% for the whole country...considerably more if we count hazel as light eyes.

    Blondism seems about right towards the higher end, pale blond is rare yet dark blond or light brown (hard to define the barrier) is somewhat common.

    Again congratulations for your work. Keep posting the results from more countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blade View Post
    What ''proper'' review? By the man who believes authors meant Ireland has just 0,5% of brown eyes, when they meant very dark brown only in this case?
    Never said France is more rufous than England or Ireland. In fact my statistics I have done show the opposite.
    Never changed my criterion. In fact I claim to be the one with most unified standards here.
    I shared my rate of both black hair and eyes among the Portuguese and the French in the respective threads. In both aspects the Portuguese as a whole showed as slightly darker (although black eyes are rare enough of a trait to be considered crucial) - 1,22% of black eyes as average for Portugal and 0,92% for France; 6,47% of black hair for Portugal and 5,69% for France.
    You claimed Ireland is 30% red-haired, you idiot. You have tons of issues and it's visible. Even if some disagree with these specific results of mine I stand behind my words and people know I'm not a mental case, unlike you.
    Visit the Balkans and then speak. Serbs, Croats, Romanians and Bulgarians do not differ greatly in eye colour from the French. Serbs in particular are quite blond. Medium brown hair dominates among these ethnicities, not dark brown (although there's nothing bad about dark brown or black hair even though some retarded nordicists may think otherwise; and just to clarify again 'cause I know you can't follow a thought for too long - I didn't call you in particular a nordicist, you are just extremely stubborn and too dumb to have an agenda). You believe Albania has less dark hair than Bulgaria - LMAO.
    I think 10% red hair for Ireland not 30% of course although reddish hair would be a higher percentage. I know people do these studies on pictures but I find the studies done more on genes and also the bigger studies by the anthropology departments of universities more accurate but not completely. The only anthropological studies done on Ireland have been on males without females.

    Anyway regarding red hair some people would call my daughter and my hair red but it is actually brown with a lot of red highlights. This colour is common in Irish people but I think people would have to look at people's hair and eye colour in person as photos aren't always accurate in capturing colouring.

    This is my natural hair colour for example. One taken outside and one indoors.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    I think 10% red hair for Ireland not 30% of course although reddish hair would be a higher percentage. I know people do these studies on pictures but I find the studies done more on genes and also the bigger studies by the anthropology departments of universities more accurate but not completely. The only anthropological studies done on Ireland have been on males without females.

    Anyway regarding red hair some people would call my daughter and my hair red but it is actually brown with a lot of red highlights. This colour is common in Irish people but I think people would have to look at people's hair and eye colour in person as photos aren't always accurate in capturing colouring.

    This is my natural hair colour for example. One taken outside and one indoors.

    Then this hair would be treated as reddish brown.
    After not shaving for a while:

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blade View Post
    While progressing with my study of Estonians, I managed to finish that of the Portuguese.
    A few words for those who may not be aware of my criteria:
    This is the hair colour scale I use:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fische...93Saller_scale
    Colours A to O are what I count as blond.
    The numbers V and VI reflect reddish blond hair and affect both blondism and rufosity values. Deeper orange shades I also include as reddish blond.
    Other colours my statistics cover:
    - light brown
    - medium brown (including medium ash brown nuances)
    - dark brown (again including some dark ash brown forms)
    - black
    - reddish brown
    - pure red
    To estimate the eye colours distribution I use the Martin-Schultz scale. Green eyes with brown spots when green dominates I count as light. Evenly mixed green-brown shades and such where brown dominates I consider hazel and don't count as light.
    The Martin-Schultz scale includes:
    1-2 : blue iris (1a, 1b, 1c, 2a : light blue iris - 2b : darker blue iris)
    3 : blue-gray iris
    4 : gray iris (4a, 4b)
    5 : blue-gray iris with yellow/brown spots
    6 : gray-green iris with yellow/brown spots
    7 : green iris
    8 : green iris with yellow/brown spots
    9-10-11 : light-brown and hazel iris
    12-13 : medium brown iris
    14-15-16 : dark-brown and black iris
    My source:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin...3Schultz_scale
    Colours 1-8 I consider light. 9 is where non-light eyes begin for me.
    An image illustrating the Martin-Schultz scale:

    Additional info about my sampling method and criteria
    Although I had a good idea about differences between Spanish and Portuguese names and surnames I decided to educate myself more on this matter and found this source pretty useful:
    https://www.quora.com/Do-Portuguese-...anish-speakers
    My females' study is based on actresses, singers and models. Males' survey is based on models, singers, footballers and cyclists. Here are the links:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...uese_actresses
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...uese_actresses
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Jo%C3%A3o_Bastos
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...uese_actresses
    https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%B3nia_Balac%C3%B3
    https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susana_Mendes
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...es_from_Lisbon
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...film_actresses
    https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmen_Santos_(atriz)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...tage_actresses
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...sion_actresses
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...oice_actresses
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...female_singers
    http://www.lagence.pt/eng/results.ph...al&type=female
    http://www.lagence.pt/results.php?de...cial&type=male
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...e_male_singers
    https://www.metal-archives.com/artis...o_Ribeiro/7139
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...al_footballers
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego..._male_cyclists
    https://www.elitelisbon.com/pt/modelos/nacional/?pg=4
    http://www.centralmodels.pt/modelos/homens/
    https://www.bestmodelsagency.com/en/...al-models/man/
    Note: All female models hail from L’Agence Models - Commercial division. Male models are mostly from it, too, with some representing Elite Lisbon (National division), Central Portugal and Best Models (again the National group). No female models from the latter three were used, as I had already finished my survey of ladies.
    Needless to say I excluded all people of partial or full Sub-Saharan African ancestry regardless of their pigmentation. Blacks, mulattos/mulattas, quadroons and octaroons (including some blond and light-eyed ones) can be found in lists posted but neither of them became part of my work. Everyone counted with natural hair colours. The agencies had posted info about/tried to determine some of the models' eye and hair colour. While mostly agreeing with their definitions, I had a slightly different rate in certain cases. Some eyes simply listed as blue, grey or green I treated as light-mixed (blue-green, green-grey or blue-grey). One agency had completely forgotten about the term ''hazel'' listing some eyes that fit this type in my view as ''brown'' or ''green''. I adapted these to my perception. Regarding hair colour I can think of two men dubbed ''blond'' who to me and by the Fischer-Saller scale are clearly brown-haired (there have always been such cases in my surveys). 572 people of each sex were included. Most of them are fully Portuguese with no data of foreign ancestry. Some, however, have partial roots from other states such as England, Germany, The Netherlands, France, Armenia, etc.
    I saw several cases of partial heterochromia (blue-brown or grey-brown eyes). As the light colour did not dominate, these fall into the dark-mixed and dark category to me. One man displays complete heterochromia, having one blue eye and one brown eye. His share to the total result was split between blue and brown eyes.
    I start with ladies' results:
    Eye colour distribution:
    Blue – 87 (15,21%)
    Blue-green – 2 (0,35%)
    Blue-grey – 28 (4,9%)
    Grey-green – 43 (7,52%)
    Grey – 65 (11,36%)
    Green – 86 (15,04%)
    Blue-brown – 3 (0,52%)
    Grey-brown – 3 (0,52%)
    Hazel – 118 (20,63%)
    Amber – 5 (0,87%)
    Brown – 128 (22,38%)
    Black – 4 (0,7%)
    Light eyes total: 54,38% (311 women)
    Dark/dark-mixed eyes total: 45,62% (261 ladies)
    Blue and blue-mixed light eyes rate: 20,46% (117 women)
    Grey and grey-mixed light eyes rate: 23,82% (136 women)

    Hair colour distribution:
    Blonde – 114 (19,93%)
    Reddish blonde – 25 (4,37%)
    Red – 8 (1,4%)
    Reddish brown – 19 (3,32%)
    Light brown – 70 (12,24%)
    Medium brown – 118 (20,63%)
    Medium ash brown – 76 (13,28%)
    Dark brown – 68 (11,89%)
    Dark ash brown – 58 (10,14%)
    Black – 16 (2,8%)
    Total blondism value: 24,3% (139 women)
    Total rufosity share: 9,09% (52 ladies)
    Brown hair total: 71,5% (409 women)
    Medium brown shades percentage (including ashy tones): 33,91% (194 women)
    Dark brown shades (including ashy nuances): 22,03% (126 females)
    Dark hair total (with black included): 24,83% (142 females)

    Males' results:
    Eye colour distribution:
    Blue – 79,5 (13,9%) - the complete heterochromia case
    Blue-green – 25 (4,37%)
    Blue-grey – 27 (4,72%)
    Grey-green – 32 (5,59%)
    Grey – 21 (3,67%)
    Green – 69 (12,06%)
    Blue-brown – 1 (0,18%)
    Grey-brown – 2 (0,35%)
    Hazel – 140 (24,48%)
    Brown – 165,5 (28,93%) - the complete heterochromia case
    Black – 10 (1,75%)
    Light eyes total: 44,31% (253 men and one with complete heterochromia)
    Dark/dark-mixed eyes share: 55,69% (318 men and one with complete heterochromia)
    Blue and blue-mixed light eyes value: 22,99% (131 men + the guy with full heterochromia)
    Grey and grey-mixed light eyes total: 13,98% (80 men)

    Hair colour distribution:
    Blond – 28 (4,9%)
    Reddish blond – 6 (1,05%)
    Red – 5 (0,87%)
    Reddish brown – 7 (1,22%)
    Light brown – 44 (7,69%)
    Medium brown – 80 (13,99%)
    Medium ash brown – 72 (12,59%)
    Dark brown – 195 (34,09%)
    Dark ash brown – 77 (13,46%)
    Black – 58 (10,14%)
    Total blondism value: 5,95% (34 men)
    Total rufosity share: 3,14% (18 men)
    Brown hair total: 83,04% (475 men)
    Medium brown shades (including ashy tones): 26,58% (152 men)
    Dark brown shades (including ashy nuances): 47,55% (272 men)
    Dark hair total (with black included): 57,69% (330 men)

    Average results based on both sexes:
    Eye colour distribution:
    Blue – 166,5 (14,55%) - because of complete heterochromia
    Blue-green – 27 (2,36%)
    Blue-grey – 55 (4,81%)
    Grey-green – 75 (6,56%)
    Grey – 86 (7,52%)
    Green – 155 (13,55%)
    Blue-brown – 4 (0,35%)
    Grey-brown – 5 (0,44%)
    Hazel – 258 (22,55%)
    Amber – 5 (0,44%)
    Brown – 293,5 (25,65%) – complete heterochromia guy being the reason
    Black – 14 (1,22%)
    Light eyes total: 49,35% (564 people + one with full heterochromia)
    Dark/dark-mixed eyes rate: 50,65% (579 people + one with full heterochromia)
    Blue and blue-mixed light eyes share: 21,72% (248 individuals and a man with complete heterochromia)
    Grey and grey-mixed light eyes share: 18,89% (216 people)

    Hair colour distribution:
    Blonde/blond – 142 (12,41%)
    Reddish blonde/blond – 31 (2,71%)
    Red – 13 (1,14%)
    Reddish brown – 26 (2,27%)
    Light brown – 114 (9,96%)
    Medium brown – 198 (17,31%)
    Medium ash brown – 148 (12,94%)
    Dark brown – 263 (22,99%)
    Dark ash brown – 135 (11,8%)
    Black – 74 (6,47%)
    Total blondism value: 15,12% (173 individuals)
    Rufosity total: 6,12% (70 people)
    Brown hair total: 77,27% (884 people)
    Medium brown shades (including ashy tones): 30,25% (346 people)
    Dark brown shades (including ashy nuances): 34,79% (398 individuals)
    Dark hair total (with black included): 41,26% (472 people)

    Phenotypical and pigmentation comment

    The phenotypes I've seen in largest amount among the Portuguese both in my survey and in reality are Atlanto-Mediterranids and Nordo-Mediterranids/Atlantids. There is a good amount of Nordids (Hallstatt, Corded and Keltic types all being present), various kinds of Nordocromagnids (Tronder and so-called Anglo-Saxon) and Upper Paleolithic types (Brunn, Phalian, Borreby). Gracile Mediterranid is less common than its more robust Atlantic cousin, yet not rare. In my survey it was best displayed by footballers although Atlanto-CM and Berid traits dominated. Some Portuguese show Paleo Atlantid features. While less common than in Spain, a Baskid strain exists. 4 or 5 women with completely Portuguese names showed a blend of East Mediterranid and CM features approaching an Egyptid type. While not common, Dinarids, Dinaro-Meds and Norids can be found. A very small number of people showed Pontid and Dinaro-Pontid traits. One person with a completely Portuguese name displayed some Turanid admix. The Portuguese seem mainly orthocranic, with hypsicranic and chamaecranic individuals being less common. Hair texture is mainly straight followed by wavy and curly. Also, many men with otherwise brown or blond hair have red/reddish beards.
    Portuguese of both sexes scored as only slightly darker-eyed than their Southern French counterparts (54,38% vs. 56% among women and 44,31% vs. 46,4% among men). However, France when considered as a whole with the northern parts included scored as 58% light-eyed (based on both sexes), while Portuguese average in my survey is 49,35%.
    The Portuguese aren't greatly behind the French in terms of blondism - 15,12% compared to 16,31%.
    Portugal is a land of great rufosity and I had noticed this on pics (especially summer ones) posted here, too. With an average of 6,12%, it ''dethrones'' the leader in my surveys England (5,6%). Italian light eyes value of 45,72% is slightly below that of the Atlantic country, while the difference between the two in terms of blondism is more noticeable (Italians scored as 7,73% blond in my study).
    Eusbio Tamagnini only found 0,17% red hair and 2,07% blond hair among 11.601 Portuguese adults based to the old Fischer-Scale. Other studies of Portuguese pigmentation did not use a standard scale, including another also organized by Tamagnini which found around 3% red hair and 20% blond hair among the Portuguese population. Very few Portuguese have blond/red in the Northern European sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PosterMentality22 View Post
    Eusbio Tamagnini only found 0,17% red hair and 2,07% blond hair among 75.202 Portuguese adults based to the old Fischer-Scale. Other studies of Portuguese pigmentation did not use a standard scale, including another also organized by Tamagnini which found around 3% red hair and 20% blond hair among the Portuguese population. Very few Portuguese have blond/red in the Northern European sense.
    I googled it and it seems to be 11601, not 75 thousand.



    That's roughly 1% of the population sampled. Any study or survey is interesting to look at, including the one on this thread. What is your "dutch/portuguese" opinion about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damio de Gis View Post
    I googled it and it seems to be 11601, not 75 thousand.



    That's roughly 1% of the population sampled. Any study or survey is interesting to look at, including the one on this thread. What is your "dutch/portuguese" opinion about that?
    How old is this study ?

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    This guy is complete anti-talent. It's sad because he puts a lot of effort into this, but end result is horrible.

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