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    Default Are Swiss Germans closer to French or Ethnic Germans?

    Going off G25 it appears like they're closer to the former

    Distance to: Swiss_German
    0.01071614 French_Nord
    0.01132035 French_Alsace
    0.01414778 Belgian
    0.01542332 French_Paris
    0.01822140 French_Occitanie
    0.01883432 French_Auvergne
    0.02063299 Swiss_French
    0.02274717 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.02441527 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.02517337 French_Provence
    0.02727261 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    0.02785813 French_Brittany
    0.02861443 German
    0.02954604 Afrikaner
    0.03066403 Austrian
    0.03207833 Spanish_Penedes
    0.03211734 Italian_Northeast
    0.03319107 Welsh
    0.03398334 Spanish_Barcelones
    0.03403327 Spanish_Girona
    0.03407547 English_Cornwall
    0.03493597 Spanish_Mallorca
    0.03505608 English
    0.03535800 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
    0.03549885 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
    Eurogenes K13: North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.395628

    G25 Ancient + Modern: Distance: 3.0211% / 0.03021062
    48.2 VK2020_England_Dorset_VA
    19.0 VK2020_Isle_Of_Man_VA
    16.2 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    10.0 French_Paris
    6.6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyoHazuki View Post
    Going off G25 it appears like they're closer to the former
    Yes, but only because there aren't academic regional averages for Germany. And Davidski can't use Gedmatch kits in G25.

    For example in my K36 PCA there are here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    Yes, but only because there aren't academic regional averages for Germany. And Davidski can't use Gedmatch kits in G25.

    For example in my K36 PCA there are here.

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    Why he cant? Legal reasons?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    Why he cant? Legal reasons?
    I think many people gladly will send him his raw files to be included. But he did it just few times as far as I know. Probably his Iraqi samples are private raw files for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    Yes, but only because there aren't academic regional averages for Germany. And Davidski can't use Gedmatch kits in G25.

    For example in my K36 PCA there are here.

    Have you published the K36 PCA here before?
    Eurogenes K13: North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.395628

    G25 Ancient + Modern: Distance: 3.0211% / 0.03021062
    48.2 VK2020_England_Dorset_VA
    19.0 VK2020_Isle_Of_Man_VA
    16.2 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    10.0 French_Paris
    6.6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyoHazuki View Post
    Have you published the K36 PCA here before?
    Yes, but this is first time with new West/South German averages: Franken, Oberschwaben, Oberpfalz, Baiern (don't confuse with whole Bayern, it is only for Ober and Niederbayern, this "i" instead "y" has some historical meaning). Also I divided Nordrhein-Westfalen to Nordrhein and Westfalen-Lippe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    Yes, but only because there aren't academic regional averages for Germany. And Davidski can't use Gedmatch kits in G25.

    For example in my K36 PCA there are here.

    How many samples are those? I can't believe Franken is more northern shifted than Nordrhein and there's such a big difference between southern Bavaria and bordering areas of Austria.
    The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.
    divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpine
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    Quote Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian View Post
    How many samples are those? I can't believe Franken is more northern shifted than Nordrhein and there's such a big difference between southern Bavaria and bordering areas of Austria.
    In Franken northern shift is north-eastern, at least partially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian View Post
    How many samples are those? I can't believe Franken is more northern shifted than Nordrhein and
    For sure not one for ref.


    Franken is not fully north shifted but as Peterski said partially to East German refs too, specifically to Thuringen, but it is better visible in distances and nMonte oracle. Nordrhein shift is proper north.


    there's such a big difference between southern Bavaria and bordering areas of Austria.
    It is, what I can say. There is some unexplained west shift in Oberbayern... I mediated it by adding Niederbayern but still.
    Oberpfalz is shifted east, Oberschwaben to Tirol.

    Burgenland is different story there was heavy Bavarian settlement here. Probably Salzburg will be similar to Oberbayern because it was part of Bavaria till early XIX century but I can't find such kits yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    Probably Salzburg will be similar to Oberbayern because it was part of Bavaria till early XIX century but I can't find such kits yet
    I have some from Salzburg & Upper Austria very close to German border.


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