Closest modern pops to ANE?

[Maguzanci]

It seems to be Uralics like Udmurt, Besermyan and Saami. Followed by the Komi and then some Central Asians like Ishkashimi, Shugnan Tajiks or some NW South Asians like Jatt_Pathak and Ror.

Would this means that Uralics can be sort of utilized as the closest modern day proxy for West Eurasian ancestry in Amerindians (who are around 30-40% ANE maybe even a bit more)?

Distance to: RUS_AfontovaGora3
0.23744202 Udmurt
0.24698981 Besermyan
0.24753963 Saami
0.25200169 Tlingit
0.25912072 Komi
0.26626123 Chuvash
0.26747160 Mari
0.27421520 Tatar_Kazan
0.27646640 Tajik_Shugnan
0.27661263 Jatt_Pathak
0.27805877 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.27867213 Ror
0.27925801 Russian_Pinega
0.28030321 Tajik_Rushan
0.28180172 Finnish_East

Distance to: RUS_MA1
0.17818969 Udmurt
0.18482232 Besermyan
0.19401681 Saami
0.19529404 Jatt_Pathak
0.19728698 Ror
0.19994100 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.20050097 Komi
0.20107315 Tajik_Shugnan
0.20134429 Tlingit
0.20176203 Kho_Singanali
0.20620321 Tajik_Rushan
0.20750233 Tatar_Kazan
0.20834975 Chuvash
0.21079762 Kalash
0.21389561 Punjabi_Jatt

[Aila]

A couple of old pictures to illustrate ...

Udmurt:
https://i.ibb.co/xCCbqjg/Udmurts-1.jpg

Mari:
https://i.ibb.co/xLP8nvB/Mari-Cheremis.jpg

[Maguzanci]

Bump

[Trouble]

If you can’t use ANE to model Native Americans, then you can’t use modern West Eurasian populations to model them either. The drift is huge.

Udmurts and Mari also have EEF type ancestry which is totally irrelevant to native Americans.

[Rethel]

Much better question would be about EHG.
ANE is a bogus, just castizo-like mix between AmerInd and EHG.

[Token]

You will not be able to model Amerindians with any kind of Uralic if you use a serious admixture software such as qpAdm.

[vbnetkhio]

It seems to be Uralics like Udmurt, Besermyan and Saami. Followed by the Komi and then some Central Asians like Ishkashimi, Shugnan Tajiks or some NW South Asians like Jatt_Pathak and Ror.

Would this means that Uralics can be sort of utilized as the closest modern day proxy for West Eurasian ancestry in Amerindians (who are around 30-40% ANE maybe even a bit more)?

Distance to: RUS_AfontovaGora3
0.23744202 Udmurt
0.24698981 Besermyan
0.24753963 Saami
0.25200169 Tlingit
0.25912072 Komi
0.26626123 Chuvash
0.26747160 Mari
0.27421520 Tatar_Kazan
0.27646640 Tajik_Shugnan
0.27661263 Jatt_Pathak
0.27805877 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.27867213 Ror
0.27925801 Russian_Pinega
0.28030321 Tajik_Rushan
0.28180172 Finnish_East

Distance to: RUS_MA1
0.17818969 Udmurt
0.18482232 Besermyan
0.19401681 Saami
0.19529404 Jatt_Pathak
0.19728698 Ror
0.19994100 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.20050097 Komi
0.20107315 Tajik_Shugnan
0.20134429 Tlingit
0.20176203 Kho_Singanali
0.20620321 Tajik_Rushan
0.20750233 Tatar_Kazan
0.20834975 Chuvash
0.21079762 Kalash
0.21389561 Punjabi_Jatt

according to my calculations it's the Ket and Selkup with around 6% ANE admixture.

[Maguzanci]

If you can’t use ANE to model Native Americans, then you can’t use modern West Eurasian populations to model them either. The drift is huge.

Udmurts and Mari also have EEF type ancestry which is totally irrelevant to native Americans.

Would Udmurts, Saamis, Maris still be one of the closest modern pops genetically to ANE though?

I think EHG would be a better proxy than the Uralics as they lack EEF-related ancestry as they are mostly ANE+significant WHG. But as you have indicated, the drift is too huge to model them.

How much EEF type ancestry do Udmurts, Maris have though? 15%?

[Maguzanci]

You will not be able to model Amerindians with any kind of Uralic if you use a serious admixture software such as qpAdm.

Would Uralics and some Central Asians like Tajiks be one of the closest modern population genetically to ANE though?

Im curious.

Also Saamis and Uralics seem to have some EEF ancestry. Do you know how much they have? 10-15%?

[Token]

Would Uralics and some Central Asians like Tajiks be one of the closest modern population genetically to ANE though?

As you can see in your runs, ANE is about as close to Udmurts as Swedes are to Turkmen. So not close at all, but yes they are the closest.

Also Saamis and Uralics seem to have some EEF ancestry. Do you know how much they have? 10-15%?

More or less, yes. They have the lowest EEF of Europe.