How to tell the difference between MENAs and Southern Europeans?

[Centurion]

Just propose them to eat some pork and you will find the difference I guess.

I agree I met a Sicilian that looked like a Europeanize Mexican, an Italian that looked Arabic and a Greek that was just pure WOG is all I can say. I wouldn't necessarily say they are the majority , though.

Not the majority indeed, but it's enough frequent to be noticed.

Menas have higly negroid admixtures

Not always, some of them are really Caucasoid.

[Abdelnour]

Menas have higly negroid admixtures in souther europe is residual.

Nope. Lebanese and Syrian people don't have any SSA.

[Uranous]

Just propose them to eat some pork and you will find the difference I guess.



Not the majority indeed, but it's enough frequent to be noticed.



Not always, some of them are really Caucasoid.

Suffit de voir les maghrébins qui pullulent en Europe pour voir clairement qu'il y a eu hybridation avec des sub sahariens .Les maghrébins et autres menas ne sont pas un peuple homogène au nord l'apport negroide est moindre qu'au sud.



Yellow=Sub saharan
Bleu=Europoide
Red=North African
Green=Midle eastern.

[Fincher]

So tell me exactly your impression of Greek phenotypes; Mainland/Island/Cypriot/Anatolian/Caucasus. They’re all distinct and there may be some overlap between groups. Genetically there’s a distinct separation between these groups (Balkan Greeks, Island Greeks, Anatolian and/or Caucasus Greeks).In terms of phenotypes Greeks can be split (West to East) into Alpine, Alpine Med, Atlantid, Atlantic Med, Pontid, East Med, Armenoid.

I'm not super knowledgeable about Greek phenotypes and their geographic distribution - my impression is merely that they have a lot of East-med, Pontid and some Armenoid phenotypes that make them distinguishable from more Western-shifted Southern Europeans

[Gota_type_]

The overlap is less than a 10% of southEuropeans with the lighest syrians or lebanese. Moroccoans and Argelians are spot here from 1 km away. So, 90% of SouthEuropeans DON´T overlap with northafricans unless you want to also make the overlap of dark brits or dark germans like Hummels with a syrian.

And besides phenotypes there is an easy way to differenciate the 10% darkest Europeans from 99% of northafricans: the first ones look decent, mostly good attitude, often friendly. The second one, they look like hienas, like delinquents, always spotting their surroundings like if they are going to try to find a prey. Not all of them, but 99% of them.

[lustermoo]

The overlap is less than a 10% of southEuropeans with the lighest syrians or lebanese. Moroccoans and Argelians are spot here from 1 km away. So, 90% of SouthEuropeans DON´T overlap with northafricans unless you want to also make the overlap of dark brits or dark germans like Hummels with a syrian.

And besides phenotypes there is an easy way to differenciate the 10% darkest Europeans from 99% of northafricans: the first ones look decent, mostly good attitude, often friendly. The second one, they look like hienas, like delinquents, always spotting their surroundings like if they are going to try to find a prey. Not all of them, but 99% of them.

Brother I know it’s argelian in Spanish but in English it’s Algerian.

[Östsvensk]

The main difference is that MENA's have:

Orientalid types
"Asian" Alpinoid types
Armenoid types
Veddoid influence in the Arabian peninsula
Arabid types (not sure if this doesn't go under Orientalid, as this is Lundman's term and the former is von Eickstedt's)

MENA's who can pass in Europe are mainly East Mediterranids and perhaps Cromagnids (Berids), I think. Well, there are even Nordic and East Baltic types in MENA.

[kleenex]

I'm not super knowledgeable about Greek phenotypes and their geographic distribution - my impression is merely that they have a lot of East-med, Pontid and some Armenoid phenotypes that make them distinguishable from more Western-shifted Southern Europeans

Ok so let me enlighten you I'm a third generation American of Greek descent been in the US since the early 1900's. I'm a typical mainland Greek from the Peloponnese and I've been classified on this site primarily as an Atlantid and/or Atlanto med. I have relatives that are Dinarids (mostly), Atlanto Meds and Alpine meds. I'm not atypical for my region of the Western Peloponnese. If you look back at phenotypic threads about mainland Greece you'll find that most mainlanders are Atlanto meds, Alpine Meds, Dinarids and pretty much indistinguishable from Central italians. The Armenoid or East med types you'r referring to are from Dodacanese islands, Cyprus (which are partly Greek), and (to a lesser degree) Crete. These are the folks that cluster with Sicilians, Calabrians, etc.