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    Default Sacae tribes: Any information on the names of their tribes?

    Sacae tribes

    Are there any sources talking about:

    a) the names of their tribes, ruling tribes etc.. ?
    b) the possible turkification or hunnification of them ?


    http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turk...andUsunsEn.htm
    Last edited by Kyp; 10-27-2020 at 06:47 AM.

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    Saka became Afghans, Pakistanis and Indians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    Saka became Afghans, Pakistanis and Indians.
    Saka became Kyrgyz turkmen uzbek tajik

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyp View Post
    R1a-z93 in Kyrgyz
    Result of Mongol founder effect, same for all modern Aralo-Caspain Kipchaks (Karakalpak etc).
    Z93 in other groups (Tatar Turkmen etc) is either old Kipchak, Iranic or some other thing depending on the location or subclade
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul View Post
    Result of Mongol founder effect, same for all modern Aralo-Caspain Kipchaks (Karakalpak etc).
    Z93 in other groups (Tatar Turkmen etc) is either old Kipchak, Iranic or some other thing depending on the location or subclade
    What do you mean by Mongol? R1a is clearly not of Mongolian origin. You mean Scythian founder effect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyp View Post
    What do you mean by Mongol? R1a is clearly not of Mongolian origin. You mean Scythian founder effect?
    I am not talking about its origin, but how they got it. Kirgiz specifically got it from Mongol founder effect, the same way Kazakh and Karakalpak got C and O
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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_tribes

    Ujsun:

    1- Alban
    2- Dulat
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    5- Shapyrashty
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    around 200bc
    Last edited by Kyp; 10-26-2020 at 10:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyp View Post
    Sacae tribes

    Are there any sources talking about:

    a) the names of their tribes, ruling tribes etc.. ?
    b) the possible turkification or hunnification of them ?


    http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turk...andUsunsEn.htm
    During Achaemenid times there are existed many tribal confederations of Eastern-Iranic people:
    - Haumavarga (Amyrgians of Herodot)
    - Paradraya (Scythians of Black sea region)
    - Sarmatians/Sauromatae (Sairima of Avesta). Lately they expelled Scythians and settled in their lands (Siracae in Kuban, Aorsae between Volga and Terek, Yazyges and Roxolani - at Pannonia and Transylvania)
    - Massagetae/Da-Yuechi (both Iranic and Chinese words mean "Great Sakas")
    - Issedones/Asianoi (Wusun of Chinese sources)
    - Dingling (tribes of Khakassia)
    During Ith c. happened a great upheaval - Huns expelled Yuechi and Wusun tribes to Central Asia, where latter expelled Sakas (probable Amyrgians) to Sistan and India. Part of Massagetae and Asianoi marched to west where they subjugated Aorsae and became Alans in Caucasus and Maskuts of Caucasian Albania. Sarmatians of Europe (Yazyges and Roxolani) subsequently were deported by Constantine to empire and their lands were taken by Goths.
    Dingling tribes were Turkicized and became Yeniseian Kirghiz people.
    Remnants of Sarmatians in Caucasus were assimilated by Northern Caucasians (Actually only Sarmatians are remembered by Caucasian legends).
    Bulgar-speaking tribes (lower class) were consisted (racially and probable genetically) mainly from Turkicized Sakas (Massagetae) and Wusun tribes. Same with Kipchaks. Andronovo/Pamirid/Turanid type and Yamnaya genetic admixture (especially R1a male haplogroup) in Turkic groups certainly came from Sakas.

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