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    Argentina received substantial immigration from the British Isles, it's pretty interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tannhauser View Post
    Would you tell us about the story?
    I'll say it in short.

    My great gran Jessie ran off with an Italian POW and had a new life in Argentina after fraudulently trying to get into Italy in the last 1940s. Taking my grans sister with her. A few things happened that made the papers.

    The Irony is that my great grandad's entire family(parents and all siblings) moved to Canada earlier and he stayed because of her.

    One of two possible scandals, the other went to the grave though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parça do Neymar View Post
    Argentina received substantial immigration from the British Isles, it's pretty interesting.
    Scotts and english not too much, really.
    Chile recived more of both groups.

    But, Argentina recived a good number of irish people.
    Indeed their descendants are around 1.000.000 right now.
    And the other group which were important were the welsh descendants who live in Chubut province.

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    Did you know? Juan Domingo Perón has Scottish ascendant!

    Through paternal line we found english and scottish ancestry Ana Hughes Mackenzie(greatgrandmother) and Elizabeth Mackenzie(mother of Ana).



    Juan Domingo Perón (UK: /pɛˈrɒn/, US: /pɛˈroʊn, pəˈ-, peɪˈ-/,[1][2][3] Spanish: [ˈxwan doˈmiŋɡo peˈɾon]; 8 October 1895 – 1 July 1974) was an Argentine Army general and politician. After serving in several government positions, including Minister of Labor and Vice President, he was elected President of Argentina three times, serving from June 1946 to September 1955, when he was overthrown in a coup d'état, and then from October 1973 until his death in July 1974.

    During his first presidential term (1946–52), Perón was supported by his second wife, Eva Duarte ("Evita"): they were immensely popular among the Argentine working class. Eva died in 1952, and Perón was elected to a second term, serving from 1952 until 1955. During the following period of two military dictatorships, interrupted by two civilian governments, the Peronist party was outlawed and Perón was exiled. When the left-wing Peronist Héctor José Cámpora was elected President in 1973, Perón returned to Argentina and was soon after elected President for a third time. His third wife, María Estela Martínez, known as Isabel Perón, was elected as Vice President on his ticket and succeeded him as President upon his death in 1974.

    Although they are still controversial figures, Juan and Eva Perón are nonetheless considered icons by the Peronists. The Peróns' followers praised their efforts to eliminate poverty and to dignify labour, while their detractors considered them demagogues and dictators. The Peróns gave their name to the political movement known as Peronism, which in present-day Argentina is represented mainly by the Justicialist Party.

    Peronism is a political phenomenon that draws support from both the political left and political right. Peronism is not considered a traditional ideology, but a political movement, because of the wide variety of people who call themselves Peronists, and there is great controversy surrounding his personality. A number of following Argentinian presidents are considered Peronists, including administrations covering a majority of the democratic era: Héctor Cámpora, Isabel Perón, Carlos Saúl Menem, Adolfo Rodríguez Saá, Eduardo Duhalde, Néstor Kirchner, Cristina Kirchner and Alberto Fernández.


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    Lo mas interesante e ironico (al menos para un foro como este) es la falta de negros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tannhauser View Post
    Scottih Population Worldwide.

    I would say the American estimation is way too low.
    Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.

    Even if this were hard--that is how it is ! Assuredly, however, by far the harder fate is that which strikes the man who thinks he can overcome Nature, but in the last analysis only mocks her. Distress, misfortune, and diseases are her answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    I would say the American estimation is way too low.
    Yes thanks you for mentioning it(I was wondering who ld be the 1st), I tried to show how Argentina ranks 5th in the Scottish diaspora on a graph and this was the best I could find, the same for Ireland and Wales.

    The site numbers are explained bc they use self-reported data in census.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Americans

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    The number of Americans of Scottish descent today is estimated to be 20 to 25 million (up to 8.3% of the total US population), and Scotch-Irish 27 to 30 million (up to 10% of the total US population), the subgroups overlapping and not always distinguishable because of their shared ancestral surnames.

    The majority of Scotch-Irish Americans originally came from Lowland Scotland and Northern England before migrating to the province of Ulster in Ireland (see Plantation of Ulster) and thence, beginning about five generations later, to North America in large numbers during the eighteenth century.

    In the 2000 census, 4.8 million Americans self-reported Scottish ancestry, 1.7% of the total US population. Over 4.3 million self-reported Scotch-Irish ancestry, for a total of 9.2 million Americans self-reporting some kind of Scottish descent. Self-reported numbers are regarded by demographers as massive under-counts, because Scottish ancestry is known to be disproportionately under-reported among the majority of mixed ancestry,[21] and because areas where people reported "American" ancestry were the places where, historically, Scottish and Scotch-Irish Protestants settled in America(that is: along the North American coast, Appalachia, and the Southeastern United States). Scottish Americans descended from nineteenth-century Scottish emigrants tend to be concentrated in the West, while many in New England are the descendants of emigrants, often Gaelic-speaking, from the Maritime Provinces of Canada, from the 1880s onward. Americans of Scottish descent outnumber the population of Scotland, where 4,459,071 or 88.09% of people identified as ethnic Scottish in the 2001 Census.

    In 2010 self reported: 5,460,679 - 3.1%
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    Lo mas interesante e ironico (al menos para un foro como este) es la falta de negros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tannhauser View Post
    Yes thanks you for mentioning it(I was wondering who ld be the 1st), I tried to show how Argentina ranks 5th in the Scottish diaspora on a graph and this was the best I could find, the same for Ireland and Wales.

    The site numbers are explained bc they use self-reported data in census.

    The number of Americans of Scottish descent today is estimated to be 20 to 25 million[1][2][3][4] (up to 8.3% of the total US population), and Scotch-Irish 27 to 30 million (up to 10% of the total US population), the subgroups overlapping and not always distinguishable because of their shared ancestral surnames.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Americans

    Census
    Where I am from near the Ozarks, the majority of people are Scottish or Scots Irish. A lot of mountain areas are like that, the midwest in general in terms of Brits.
    Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.

    Even if this were hard--that is how it is ! Assuredly, however, by far the harder fate is that which strikes the man who thinks he can overcome Nature, but in the last analysis only mocks her. Distress, misfortune, and diseases are her answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    Where I am from near the Ozarks, the majority of people are Scottish or Scots Irish. A lot of mountain areas are like that, the midwest in general in terms of Brits.
    lol, I like that serie specially seasons 1 & 2 and Better Call Saul. Do you consider yourself Appalachian or is just a resource for making the story interesting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Lo mas interesante e ironico (al menos para un foro como este) es la falta de negros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tannhauser View Post
    lol, I like that serie specially seasons 1 & 2 and Better Call Saul. Do you consider yourself Appalachian or is just a resource for making the story interesting?
    I am from the Ozarks
    Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.

    Even if this were hard--that is how it is ! Assuredly, however, by far the harder fate is that which strikes the man who thinks he can overcome Nature, but in the last analysis only mocks her. Distress, misfortune, and diseases are her answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    I would say the American estimation is way too low.
    I think some Scottish people (including 'Scotch-Irish' which is really a stupid 'Americanism') identify as simply American on the census or sometimes 'Irish' so going by self-reported census data is kinda of stupid.

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