Slavs among Vikings

**vbnetkhio** · 10-11-2020, 03:55 PM

Lucas ran 353 Viking samples trough Eurogenes k13 here

based on their similarity to the other Early slavic samples we have, i think these Viking samples from the new study could be of Slavic or mostly Slavic ancestry:

Code:

Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK274,30.81,34.11,13.89,9.49,6.21,0.48,2.68,0.16,0.33,1.06,0,0,0.79
Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK287,27.47,45.26,8.62,7.09,7.54,0,1.5,0.79,1.13,0.21,0.21,0.16,0
Viking_Denmark_Jutland_VK340,28.29,43.29,9.89,5.02,8.09,0,3.75,0,0.44,0.1,0,1.12,0
Viking_Denmark_Jutland_VK339,30.19,38.31,4.19,7.6,13.21,0,0,0,0,0,2.03,2.99,1.47
Viking_Poland_Cedynia_VK212,29.69,48.84,9.53,5.54,1.59,0,1.3,0,1.34,0,0.13,1.42,0.62
Viking_Russia_Pskov_VK159,28.62,50.38,7.63,3.49,4.19,0,2.08,0,0,1.86,0.48,1.27,0
Viking_Russia_Ladoga_VK19,34.33,39.57,9.56,6.08,4.86,0,0,1.29,0.94,1.44,0.09,0,1.85
Viking_Russia_Gnezdovo_VK272,27.1,42.86,8.37,4.01,8.44,3.37,1.6,0,1.68,2.01,0,0,0.56
Viking_Sweden_Gotland_VK454,25.59,45.53,14.97,2.7,4.74,0.3,0.73,2.49,0,0.34,1.21,1.4,0
Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541,23.15,43.28,11.7,7.62,7.79,1.05,1.58,0,1.18,0.56,0.79,0,1.29
Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542,22.48,43.78,10.72,8.56,9.14,0.26,0,0,1.64,0.82,0.98,0.73,0.87

these are the early Slavs from earlier studies:

Code:

AV2_Hungary_Avar_daughter.or.mother.AV1_1356_ybp,30.22,47.46,11.05,4.34,3.01,0.41,0.55,0,1.56,0.94,0,0.46,0
I4137_Czech_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_1235_ybp,30.89,37.94,12.04,8.95,5.72,0.86,0,0,2.09,0.47,0.11,0.93,0
Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp,25.17,45.83,13.05,4.29,6.41,0.44,0,0.03,2.59,1.13,0.64,0.42,0
AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp,29.17,40.22,11.71,8.24,7.15,0.06,1.56,0,0.48,0.97,0.27,0,0.17

these also plot close to early Slavs, but they are probably very low quality samples, because they have 0% of West Med, East med or west asian (or maybe not?):

Code:

Viking_Russia_Gnezdovo_VK253,30.11,35.37,0,0,18.72,0,7.79,0,0,3.56,1.28,3.17,0,0
Viking_Poland_Czersk_VK200,32.66,33.56,4.26,0,10.97,9.51,0,0,1.27,7.76,0,0,0,0
Viking_Sweden_Gotland_VK251,28.95,43.59,8.7,0,7.29,5.07,0,2.47,0,3.78,0,0,0.16,0.16
Viking_Sweden_Gotland_VK457,27.06,46.57,9.09,5.2,0,1.45,3.09,2.19,2.29,1.54,1.04,0,0.48,0.48
Viking_Russia_Gnezdovo_VK466,25.85,43.15,9.22,12.82,0,0,2.34,0.15,0,2.09,1.69,0,2.69,2.69

the average of all these except the low quality samples:

Code:

Early_Slav,28.21,43.11,10.46,6.20,6.54,0.48,1.16,0.32,1.03,0.79,0.46,0.73,0.51

**Leto** · 10-11-2020, 04:10 PM

Distance to: Early_Slav
2.21124399 Ukrainian
2.97674319 South_Polish
3.08925557 Ukrainian_Lviv
4.51446564 Polish
5.39132637 Southwest_Russian
5.57548204 Sorb_Lusatia
5.96903677 Masurian
6.20076608 Ukrainian_Belgorod
6.44835638 Russian_Smolensk
6.63892311 Cossacks_Kuban
6.74361179 Russian
7.05586281 Estonian_Polish
7.18280615 Slovak
7.67295901 Belorussian
7.81646339 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
8.30454695 Czech
8.96581842 Hungarian_Northern
9.65068391 Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
10.37454095 Kargopol_Russian
10.53977229 Croat_Croatia_Central

Target: Early_Slav
Distance: 1.8832% / 1.88318580 | ADC: 1x
79.0 Ukrainian
21.0 South_Polish

Target: Early_Slav
Distance: 1.2900% / 1.29002624 | ADC: 0.5x
46.2 Ukrainian
36.8 South_Polish
14.0 Southwest_Russian
2.8 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.2 Sandawe

Target: Early_Slav
Distance: 0.7077% / 0.70772674 | ADC: 0.25x
39.8 South_Polish
29.4 Ukrainian
23.6 Southwest_Russian
4.4 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
2.0 Sorb_Lusatia
0.6 Sandawe
0.2 Ethiopian_Amhara

Glory to Ukraina, you bitches

**vbnetkhio** · 10-11-2020, 04:11 PM

updated k13 distances:

Distance to:	Early_Slav
2.21124399	Ukrainian
2.97674319	South_Polish
3.08925557	Ukrainian_Lviv
4.51446564	Polish
5.39132637	Southwest_Russian
5.57548204	Sorb_Lusatia
5.96903677	Masurian
6.20076608	Ukrainian_Belgorod
6.44835638	Russian_Smolensk
6.63892311	Cossacks_Kuban
6.74361179	Russian
7.05586281	Estonian_Polish
7.18280615	Slovak
7.67295901	Belorussian
7.81646339	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
8.30454695	Czech
8.96581842	Hungarian_Northern
9.65068391	Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
10.37454095	Kargopol_Russian
10.53977229	Croat_Croatia_Central
10.78444250	Slovenian
11.20844771	Croat_Croatia_Slavonia
11.32700313	Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
11.69078269	Hungarian_Alfold
12.06952360	Croat_Croatia

Very close to the Ukrainian average, which is made mostly of West Ukrainian samples.

**Leto** · 10-11-2020, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

Very close to the Ukrainian average, which is made mostly of West Ukrainian samples.

Not too different from this person
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Euro-ancestry

**vbnetkhio** · 10-11-2020, 05:45 PM

these 2 samples help explain the low North Atlantic and High Baltic among South Slavs:

Code:

Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541,23.15,43.28,11.7,7.62,7.79,1.05,1.58,0,1.18,0.56,0.79,0,1.29
Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542,22.48,43.78,10.72,8.56,9.14,0.26,0,0,1.64,0.82,0.98,0.73,0.87

about the mostly East Slavic origin of South Slavs:

The picture that archeology provides on this problem is far from complete. But it tends to support the views of historians convinced of the eastern origin of the Southern Slavs rather than the conclusion of scholars who assume a considerable influx of Western Slav tribes to the Balkans. So far no definite find has been made on the territory of Yugoslavia of the Prague type, which would indicate a movement from Central Europe. The finds of early Slav hand-made pottery are very rare in this region and tend to resemble the Romanian, which is of Eastern Slav origin. As an example we can cite investigations carried out in 1966 near the village of Mušiči on the banks of the Drina. In the ruins of a Roman villa simple semi-subterranean dwellings of oval shape were dug up with sherds from the sixth to seventh century, revealing an undeniably eastern origin. Beside them there were fragments of a different pottery, which probably did not belong to the Slavs but to the remnants of the local Romanized population, who gradually merged with the new arrivals, the Slavs. Similar signs of symbiosis have been discovered in other places, e.g. at Žabljak near Doboj; they also show the character of a later Slavonic culture combined with a number of elements of ancient local tradition.

**Jana** · 10-11-2020, 06:13 PM

Target: Stearsolina
Distance: 2.2075% / 2.20747415

63.8 Early_Slav
10.4 Abhkasian
8.2 French_Basque
7.8 Norwegian
5.4 Sardinia
4.4 IT_Trentino

**Dušan** · 10-11-2020, 06:15 PM

I got these new samples when I added it in ancient K13.

Target: Dušan
Distance: 1.2201% / 1.22011360 | ADC: 0.25x
29.2 Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541
25.6 Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542
20.2 I1113_Bulgaria_MP_N_7983_ybp
9.8 scy301_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG
8.2 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
4.6 DA195_Hungary_Scythian.SG_2553_ybp
2.4 RISE480_Hungary_Vatya.SG_3550_ybp

**vbnetkhio** · 10-11-2020, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Dušan

I got these new samples when I added it in ancient K13.

Target: Dušan
Distance: 1.2201% / 1.22011360 | ADC: 0.25x
29.2 Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541
25.6 Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542
20.2 I1113_Bulgaria_MP_N_7983_ybp
9.8 scy301_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG
8.2 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
4.6 DA195_Hungary_Scythian.SG_2553_ybp
2.4 RISE480_Hungary_Vatya.SG_3550_ybp

mine

Distance: 1.3851% / 1.38506390 | ADC: 0.25x
47.4 Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542
21.4 RISE480_Hungary_Vatya.SG_3550_ybp
16.8 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
14.4 I1113_Bulgaria_MP_N_7983_ybp

**andre** · 10-11-2020, 06:21 PM

Target: Csango_Siret
Distance: 3.2899% / 3.28986663
56.8 Early_Slav
26.2 IT_Umbria
9.8 North-Dutch
7.2 Turkmen

Target: Andre
Distance: 4.5778% / 4.57776331
49.2 Early_Slav
47.0 IT_Umbria
3.8 Turkmen

**Dušan** · 10-11-2020, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

mine

Distance: 1.3851% / 1.38506390 | ADC: 0.25x
47.4 Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542
21.4 RISE480_Hungary_Vatya.SG_3550_ybp
16.8 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
14.4 I1113_Bulgaria_MP_N_7983_ybp

Is I1113_Bulgaria_MP_N_7983_ybp Thracian?