If Georgians and Armenians are descendants of Japheth, then why do they look Jewish and Arab?

[user_]

I am also a classic real mtebid.


Are you from western Georgia? Are you an Imeretian?
I guessed ?

You look like full West, i'm 50/50 ))
My father from Imereti, mother from Kartli.

[Frowning Man]

You look like full West, i'm 50/50 ))
My father from Imereti, mother from Kartli.

You are kind of reddish. There are many redheads in Imereti. I was red-haired as a child. Now only a red beard.

[user_]

You are kind of reddish. There are many redheads in Imereti. I was red-haired as a child. Now only a red beard.

Yeah, reddish hair appears quite often among Imeretians, also among Megrels. It's common for Colchic Georgians.

[Rethel]

According to Bible Georgians and Armenians are descendants of Togarmah, son of Gomer, grandson of Japheth, then why do they look Semitic in appearance? Georgian here, I'm interested

Becasue they are not. Mainly.
Kartvelians as a folk are not descednats of Japheth becasue only known Japheth's descendants are Indoeuropeans, and because all are members of the same folk, then it very, very strongly suggests, that ONLY Indoeuropeans are descendants of Japheth and noone esle. So, only those inhabitants of Georgia, who are Indoeuropeans, are descendent from Japheth, so only some 1/5 of all population.

The story about Kartvelians being descendants of Japheth comes from the 11th (sic!) century, when some guy wanted to explain where Georgians came from. And becasue Georgians and Armenians were Christians surrounded by Muslims and were ruled by the same dynasties, then he subscribed to the Armenian traditions from Vth century. But it is bogus.

Armenians on the other hand, as a nation can claim to came from Japheth, because they are an indoeuropean folk, regardless, if there are some real Togarmians or not. In a very deep antiquity there was some city and a tribe in Anatolia with similar names, so it can be that — but I personally think, that Togarmah could have more to do with Tocharians than Armenians. Nevertheless, Armenians are Indoeuropeans, so they are Japhethites and some 35% of them are indeed the real descendants of Japheth.

And why do they look semitic? Because they racially sinked into a dark semitoid enviroment. Such simple.

I mean it's in a bible, we are considered to be descendants of Japheth

Nope. There is nothing in the Bible saying, that Georgians are descendants of Japheth.
On the other hand, the Bible clearly says who are descendants of Japheth and what role will have in the World's history.
And it happend as it was written and prophesied.

What is the difference what is written in the Bible?

Becasue the Bible says the truth and is historically correct in every detail.

My question is whom do South and East Asians descend from?

Clearly it is not known, but probably from Ham.
It is probable, that majority of folks on the Earth came from him.
NO-folks — from land of Hans to the land of Häme — probably are from Ham, as almost all K groups.


At the first look it seems that:

From Japheth only Indoeuropeans.
From Sem only J folks divided on couple groups.
Rest from Ham.

It can be easly disproven that Semites are exclusively J people IF Elamites are not J.
Time will show. But if they are, then with 99% probability can be assumed, that the
Semites are exclusively this people, divided on couple of languages.

[Annihilus]

North Indians probably came from Madai, which means they are Japhetic, South Indians maybe Ham, but writers didn't knew about east asians (Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, etc.)

[Power77]

From Japheth only Indoeuropeans.
From Sem only J folks divided on couple groups.
Rest from Ham.

What do you think of the idea that G-folks, and therefore Kartvelians, might be descendants of Lud, son of Shem?

[Rethel]

What do you think of the idea that G-folks, and therefore Kartvelians, might be descendants of Lud, son of Shem?

Nothing, total abstraction, because except similar name with one city in far Anatolia, nothing could be said about it.
If some hg different than J is semitic, then much more probable it would be I, and here I guess you could subscribe Lud.
For some time I thought like that, I also thought about G being semitic, maybe from Aram or Ashshur, but not any more.

It is also not sure who Kartvelians originaly were, J or G. Last ancient findings sugest, that on this territory lived J.

About G could be said, that:

— G is mostly present among Pontic peoples.
— G was mostly present in ancient Anatolia.
— In the center of Anatolia lived Hattians.
— Hattic language is related to pontic languages and probably also to kartvelian.
— Pontic people use prefix heth in naming pattern and one of the tribes is called Hatyuquai what means Hattic son..
— In the times of Solomon are mentioned "all kings of Hittites" not being differentiated from canaanite ones, but
obviously not ruling in Israel, what obviously must to refer to the syro-hittite kingdoms in Anatolia, and even if they
were indoeuropeanized or aramized, then tradition of refering to the Hattians the same as to Hethites remains.

So, in conclusion, all of it suggests, that G-folk could be Hamitic via Canaan's son Heth.

Of course, there always will be doubts, but according to this what is collected above, seems as it seems.
And btw, G-folk was building megalithic structures, similar as in the canaanitic Levant, and in some way
following stone buildings like pyramides and tombs made by other Hamites.


You asked also about Canaantite hg.
At the beginning of genetic research it was thought, that T is canaanitic hg.
But in archeogenetic except T we have in Canaan also H and E haplogroups.
Truth be said, in Canaan since the early times many different groups were living and wandering.
For example Perrizites or Rephaites of unknown provenance.

For T being Canaanitic (or at least of one's tribe living in Canaan) speaks the fact, that T is also present in Somalia.
In ancient times this land was called Punt, similar as northern Canaan was called Put, i.e. Phoenicia. Could it be just
a coincidence, but in addition, ancient historians were convinst that Phoenicians came from that region in southern
Red Sea coast. So, something can be in that, especially, that T fits perfectly to what happend to Canaanites: it is
the most scattered folk on Earth, like they would run in every direction, especially to the north from Canaan.

So, it could be, that T is one of canaanitic hg. It would be very consistent with
the history of the Canaanites and with what we see and know about this hg today.

[Rethel]

Nothing, total abstraction, because except similar name with one city in far Anatolia, nothing could be said about it.
If some hg different than J is semitic, then much more probable it would be I, and here I guess you could subscribe Lud.
For some time I thought like that, I also thought about G being semitic, maybe from Aram or Ashshur, but not any more.

It is also not sure who Kartvelians originaly were, J or G. Last ancient findings sugest, that on this territory lived J.

About G could be said, that:

— G is mostly present among Pontic peoples.
— G was mostly present in ancient Anatolia.
— In the center of Anatolia lived Hattians.
— Hattic language is related to pontic languages and probably also to kartvelian.
— Pontic people use prefix heth in naming pattern and one of the tribes is called Hatyuquai what means Hattic son..
— In the times of Solomon are mentioned "all kings of Hittites" not being differentiated from canaanite ones, but
obviously not ruling in Israel, what obviously must to refer to the syro-hittite kingdoms in Anatolia, and even if they
were indoeuropeanized or aramized, then tradition of refering to the Hattians the same as to Hethites remains.

So, in conclusion, all of it suggests, that G-folk could be Hamitic via Canaan's son Heth.

Of course, there always will be doubts, but according to this what is collected above, seems as it seems.
And btw, G-folk was building megalithic structures, similar as in the canaanitic Levant, and in some way
following stone buildings like pyramides and tombs made by other Hamites.

Look at these verses, written almost one after another. These are the same Hittites.
At least the text does not make between them any difference exept the place of living.
Pay also attention, that kings of Hittites are connected to the kings of Syria.

Also Solomon's women were these outside Hittites, as they are mentiond among nations
living outside of tribal Israel, and just after the Sidonians; and because he married pricesses,
so obviously these Hittite pricesses were from the north and not local slaves.

1 Kings 9:20,21; 10:29; 11:1-3.

As for all the people who were left from the Amorites, the Hittites, the
Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, who were not part of the people
of Israel, their descendants who were left in the land — those whom the
Israelites had been unable to devote to destruction—were conscripted by
Solomon for forced labor as slaves until this day.


And a chariot customarily came up and was exported from Egypt for six
hundred silver pieces, and a horse for a hundred and fifty; and that was
the way it was for all the kings of the Hittites and the kings of Syria.
It was by means of them that they did the exporting.

And King Solomon himself loved many foreign wives along with the daughter
of Pharaoh, Moabite, Ammonite, Edomite, Sidonan [and] Hittite women, from
the nations of whom Jehovah had said to the sons of Israel: “YOU must not go
in among them (...) And he came to have seven hundred wives, princesses.

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

Nothing, total abstraction, because except similar name with one city in far Anatolia, nothing could be said about it.
If some hg different than J is semitic, then much more probable it would be I, and here I guess you could subscribe Lud.
For some time I thought like that, I also thought about G being semitic, maybe from Aram or Ashshur, but not any more.

It is also not sure who Kartvelians originaly were, J or G. Last ancient findings sugest, that on this territory lived J.

About G could be said, that:

— G is mostly present among Pontic peoples.
— G was mostly present in ancient Anatolia.
— In the center of Anatolia lived Hattians.
— Hattic language is related to pontic languages and probably also to kartvelian.
— Pontic people use prefix heth in naming pattern and one of the tribes is called Hatyuquai what means Hattic son..
— In the times of Solomon are mentioned "all kings of Hittites" not being differentiated from canaanite ones, but
obviously not ruling in Israel, what obviously must to refer to the syro-hittite kingdoms in Anatolia, and even if they
were indoeuropeanized or aramized, then tradition of refering to the Hattians the same as to Hethites remains.

So, in conclusion, all of it suggests, that G-folk could be Hamitic via Canaan's son Heth.

Of course, there always will be doubts, but according to this what is collected above, seems as it seems.
And btw, G-folk was building megalithic structures, similar as in the canaanitic Levant, and in some way
following stone buildings like pyramides and tombs made by other Hamites.


You asked also about Canaantite hg.
At the beginning of genetic research it was thought, that T is canaanitic hg.
But in archeogenetic except T we have in Canaan also H and E haplogroups.
Truth be said, in Canaan since the early times many different groups were living and wandering.
For example Perrizites or Rephaites of unknown provenance.

For T being Canaanitic (or at least of one's tribe living in Canaan) speaks the fact, that T is also present in Somalia.
In ancient times this land was called Punt, similar as northern Canaan was called Put, i.e. Phoenicia. Could it be just
a coincidence, but in addition, ancient historians were convinst that Phoenicians came from that region in southern
Red Sea coast. So, something can be in that, especially, that T fits perfectly to what happend to Canaanites: it is
the most scattered folk on Earth, like they would run in every direction, especially to the north from Canaan.

So, it could be, that T is one of canaanitic hg. It would be very consistent with
the history of the Canaanites and with what we see and know about this hg today.

How can G folks be Hamitic when they are more closely related to I and J than they are to the real Hamite lineage E. Literally Japanese Y-DNA D carrier Hunter gatherers are closer to Hamites than G folks. GHIJK were one people.

[Power77]

Nothing, total abstraction, because except similar name with one city in far Anatolia, nothing could be said about it.
If some hg different than J is semitic, then much more probable it would be I.

If that’s the case, that’d mean I-folks weren’t that “Blackish” (unlike C1-folks for that matter). If anything, even G-folks were likely more “Africanoid” than them under such a scenario.

It is also not sure who Kartvelians originaly were, J or G. Last ancient findings sugest, that on this territory lived J.

Kartvelians aren’t Japhetic either way. That’s for sure!

You asked also about Canaantite hg.
At the beginning of genetic research it was though, that T is canaanitic hg.
But in archeogenetic except T we have in Canaan also H and E haplogroups.
Truth be said, in Canaan since the early times many different groups were living and wandering.
For example Perrizites or Rephaites of unknown provenance.

For T being Canaanitic, or at least one of tribe's living in Canaan, speaks the fact, that T is also present in Somalia.
In ancient times this land was called Punt, similar as northern Canaan was called Put, i.e. Poenicia. Could it be just
a coincidence, but in addition, ancient historians were convinst that Phoenicians came from that region in southern
Red Sea coast. So, something can be in that, especially, that T fits perfectly to what happend to Canaanites: it is
the most scattered folk on Earth, like they would run in every direction, especially to the north from Canaan.

So, it could be, that T is one of canaanitic hg. It would be very consistent with
the history of the Canaanites and with what we see and know about this hg today.

If I understand you correctly:

Canaanites = F, G, H, L, N, O, and Q
Puntites = T (?)
Cushites = A, B, C, D, E, and perhaps MS as well
Mizraites = F (?)