Is Romania the italy of eastern Europe??

[IrisSelene]

That's the case now, but not 20 years ago when the mass migration from Romania has started. Russia and Turkey were way better off than Romania 2 decades ago, particularly developed cities like Moscow, Saint Petersburg or Istanbul that are targeted by migrants. That's why half of migrant Moldovans used to go to Russia, and yet Romanians never did.

That's because many Romanians had beef with Russians as well as the Turks.

My own family would have NEVER chose Russia or Turkey either. Lol. Especially Russia.

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[IrisSelene]

Yes, the Persian ones definitely WERE a thing at least. My grandpa had the "Rapirea din Serai" one in his room. Almost everyone knows about them, but probably if you ask them if they know someone who still has them, they won't know.

The traditional ones are starting to become more popular and my great grandma's house was filled with them.

I only saw the "traditional" ones in houses from smaller villages lol

I consider the Persian style ones more traditional lmao. I remember how hard it was to clean them, they had to hang each one in the backyard and start beating the shit out of them to get rid of the dust before starting to wash them lol

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[Daco Celtic]

I've learned so much about the rug situation in Romania thanks to this thread. Great work guys.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

I've learned so much about the rug situation in Romania thanks to this thread. Great work guys.

It's not like this forum will teach you anything else either way.

[Nurzat]

this thread brought us together

[Universe]

That's the case now, but not 20 years ago when the mass migration from Romania has started. Russia and Turkey were way better off than Romania 2 decades ago, particularly developed cities like Moscow, Saint Petersburg or Istanbul that are targeted by migrants. That's why half of migrant Moldovans used to go to Russia, and yet Romanians never did.

I'm not sure about that. To me it seems the 3 countries always had more or less similar amount of wealth: https://i.imgur.com/tLbKlBn.jpg
Italy had 20k gdp/capita in year 2000 which was ten times as high as Romania's, Turkey and Russia were barely different to Romania. I'm also sure Moldovans being ex-USSR citizens, being part of the CIS zone and stuff had privileges in Russia (more so than Romanians). Moldovans could also speak Russian. It had very little to do with culture, the romanian migrants were opportunistic, they went where wealth was. Similar language of Spain/Italy helped too.

[Daco Celtic]

It's not like this forum will teach you anything else either way.

I'm annoyed at my grandparents for not incorporating more rugs into their home. That's what happens when you're corrupted by western values.

[ixulescu]

I'm not sure about that. To me it seems the 3 countries always had more or less similar amount of wealth: https://i.imgur.com/tLbKlBn.jpg
Italy had 20k gdp/capita in year 2000 which was ten times as high as Romania's, Turkey and Russia were barely different to Romania. I'm also sure Moldovans being ex-USSR citizens, being part of the CIS zone and stuff had privileges in Russia (more so than Romanians). Moldovans could also speak Russian. It had very little to do with culture, the romanian migrants were opportunistic, they went where wealth was. Similar language of Spain/Italy helped too.

Dude, on your own map it is shown that for a decade (the 90s) Romania had half the GDP per capita of both Russia and Turkey - that's a huge gap. Even if Romania has started to progress after the 90s it's not like the citizens immediately felt the economic improvements.

So yes, migration to Russia or Turkey would have made economic sense in the 90s and even 2000s - which is why Moldovans migrated to Russia in big numbers. Romanians did not do that simply because they dislike both states. And they could have migrated to other EU states than Spain and Italy if economic opportunism was the only criterion.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

. Romanians did not do that simply because they dislike both states. And they could have migrated to other EU states than Spain and Italy if economic opportunism was the only criterion.

There are as many Romanians in Germany as there are in Spain now (currently 750k).

In the early 90's Germans saw a massive number of Romanians immigrating and stopped immigration via legal means.

As soon as Spain stopped being attractive, the nmb of registered Romanians fell by 200k and it's probably still dropping.

Moldovans did not require lots of documentation to immigrate to Russia and already knew Russian. Russia was much better off economically than Moldova, so it instantly became attractive.

Romanians also benefited from illegal smuggling groups that brought people to Spain/Italy and gave them jobs with no contracts prior to those countries making it easier to get a visa.

As soon as England became easier to immigrate to, loads of Romanians did and few of those really know English.

Immigration was done due to convenience, economic opportunity, legalities and lastly, language similarity or cultural preference.

From a Romanian perspective, a collapsing Russian state was completely unattractive compared to Western and Southern European countries, which were stable, had economic opportunities, better wages, etc.

Not because we ”hate” Russia or Turkey, or that we have ”historical beef” with them.

[ixulescu]

There are as many Romanians in Germany as there are in Spain now (currently 750k).

In the early 90's Germans saw a massive number of Romanians immigrating and stopped immigration via legal means.

That's irrelevant. Half of them are Saxons born in Romania. Btw not all Saxons migrating from Transylvania were counted towards Romania, only those born after 1921.

There are as many Romanians in Germany as there are in Spain now (currently 750k).

As soon as Spain stopped being attractive, the nmb of registered Romanians fell by 200k and it's probably still dropping.

The number of Romanians dropped in Spain but not in Italy.

As soon as England became easier to immigrate to, loads of Romanians did and few of those really know English.

Migration to UK has also peaked.

Immigration was done due to convenience, economic opportunity, legalities and lastly, language similarity or cultural preference.

From a Romanian perspective, a collapsing Russian state was completely unattractive compared to Western and Southern European countries, which were stable, had economic opportunities, better wages, etc.

Not because we ”hate” Russia or Turkey, or that we have ”historical beef” with them.

It's all of those reasons (in bold letters) not just some of them. From a Romanian perspective Russia and Turkey were never considered attractive countries simply because they're seen as underdeveloped societies, even if sometimes they have an economic lead on Romania. There's no point in hiding/denying the cultural bias of Romanians.