If Scotland Were Independent, Would You Support A Scottish Royal Family?

[Logan]

I'm really curious as to what you all think. I think it would be a great thing, as to bring back a lot of national identity to my people. Also, are there any surviving Scottish Stew/uarts? Or would you want to have a clan elevated to Royal status?

Here's one.

Franz Bonaventura Adalbert Maria Herzog von Bayern, King of Bavaria

http://haquelebac.wordpress.com/2010...d-and-ireland/



Not too desperate for lodgings.

[Argyll]

I would support the legitimate claimant and apply for amnesty as a 6th generation descendant from a Scots family. The House of Hanover never had a legitimate claim to the throne of either England or Scotland.

Of course, I understand His Royal Highness' reluctance to accept the crown or seek it - ruling an active monarchy is a great responsibility, and even the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (especially the emotionally imbalanced and childish Victoria) has shown reluctance to fulfill its duties to the Kingdom.

I want an actual Scottish family to rule Scotland, lol. So, I wouldn't support a Bavarian Duke to come and rule.

[Wulfhere]

I want an actual Scottish family to rule Scotland, lol. So, I wouldn't support a Bavarian Duke to come and rule.

Don't blame you - no one likes Germans. But your requirement of "Scottish only" would also rule out all those American families you mentioned, and rightly so. In fact, since the Queen is at least half Scottish (her mother was a Scot), and on her father's side she undoubtedly has a far greater claim to the Scottish throne than any other family, if one excludes the Bavarian, then your choice is obvious.

[Magister Eckhart]

I want an actual Scottish family to rule Scotland, lol. So, I wouldn't support a Bavarian Duke to come and rule.

Royals are anational; there have been national nobility, but the high aristocracy has always been European. Robert II Stuart was descent from a long line of Bretons founded by a knight named Flad (or Flaat, maybe?) who came over from France after the Crusades. The House of Stuart replaced Robert de Bruys, himself Franco-Norman with very little actual Scottish heritage. Before him was the House of Balliol, a Picard family.

You'd have to go back almost to Malcolm Canmore (around AD 1060, if memory serves) to find a native Scottish ruler of Scotland.

At any rate, the His Royal Highness would soon enough become Scottish, just as the German Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family became English, culturally speaking. Make no mistake, though; royals transcend mere nationality and embrace a higher culture. They are the strongest basis for the West that presently exists (which unfortunately isn't saying much) precisely because of the history they have of being ethnically anational.

[Argyll]

Royals are anational; there have been national nobility, but the high aristocracy has always been European. Robert II Stuart was descent from a long line of Bretons founded by a knight named Flad (or Flaat, maybe?) who came over from France after the Crusades. The House of Stuart replaced Robert de Bruys, himself Franco-Norman with very little actual Scottish heritage. Before him was the House of Balliol, a Picard family.

You'd have to go back almost to Malcolm Canmore (around AD 1060, if memory serves) to find a native Scottish ruler of Scotland.

At any rate, the His Royal Highness would soon enough become Scottish, just as the German Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family became English, culturally speaking. Make no mistake, though; royals transcend mere nationality and embrace a higher culture. They are the strongest basis for the West that presently exists (which unfortunately isn't saying much) precisely because of the history they have of being ethnically anational.

I know that they have mated with other European families, and I didn't quite understand that. I always thought that royals should mate with their own people.

[Wulfhere]

I know that they have mated with other European families, and I didn't quite understand that. I always thought that royals should mate with their own people.

That's the very, very last thing they have done, historically at least. There are exceptions of course - most of Henry VIII's wives were English, for example - but it is only in modern times, starting with Prince Charles, that they have felt it more appropriate to marry Englishwomen than foreigners.

[Osweo]

I would support the legitimate claimant and apply for amnesty as a 6th generation descendant from a Scots family.

Someone of your sept should really be supporting the descendants of the Bernician Earls, if you want a REAL Wodening on the throne.

I believe the Dunbars are the ones to track down, though that Earldom was robbed off them by a Douglas conniving with Stuarts.

[Argyll]

That's the very, very last thing they have done, historically at least. There are exceptions of course - most of Henry VIII's wives were English, for example - but it is only in modern times, starting with Prince Charles, that they have felt it more appropriate to marry Englishwomen than foreigners.

I never understood why though. Is it probably because of the whole thing where the other Royal families were "divinely ordained"? That seems to be the most plausible reason.

[Wulfhere]

I never understood why though. Is it probably because of the whole thing where the other Royal families were "divinely ordained"? That seems to be the most plausible reason.

It was mainly to cement alliances and other similar, dynastic reasons. In the Middle Ages, it was a very important diplomatic tool. A certain amount of snobbery was involved too, no doubt, but the best monarchs - the few genuinely intelligent ones - weren't snobs.

[Logan]

That's the very, very last thing they have done, historically at least. There are exceptions of course - most of Henry VIII's wives were English, for example - but it is only in modern times, starting with Prince Charles, that they have felt it more appropriate to marry Englishwomen than foreigners.