Armenia surrenders

[Longbowman]

There's one point you're missing, probably on purpose, which is armenia was defending side while holding the "high ground" and Azerbaijan started from low ground and advanced through 30-years of fortification and reached to the hearth of the Karabakh just in a month, flanking and surrounding armenian forces. There are some rumors about Turkish officers helping for this strategy (supposedly Turkish Land Forces commander as main strategist) but i doubt that Azerbaijan officers are not capable enough in "their region".

From all evidences, i think it's very clear that outperforming enemy in every possible way is not special for Israel army. Turks are also able to do that.

Again, as your last sentence proves, this is you trying to paint yourselves as gods of war when you got btfo by Assadists and Russkis in your own back yard not 10 months ago. I'm not saying the Azeris were incompetent, far from it, but the numerical and technological advantage was so severe that it was an inevitability they would win.

In 1994 they were incompetent, but they learnt their lessons.

[Kyp]

NE OLDU PASHINYAN?!

[Hektor12]

Again, as your last sentence proves, this is you trying to paint yourselves as gods of war

No, i'm not trying to claim such status but all the world know Turks are not bad at war, thats one fact. You need "more" than technological and personnel superiority to take one of the strongest defended high-grounds of the world, and that was, very clearly, a succesful strategy. You accept it or not.

[Longbowman]

No, i'm not trying to claim such status but all the world know Turks are not bad at war, thats one fact. You need "more" than technological and personnel superiority to take one of the strongest defended high-grounds of the world, and that was, very clearly, a succesful strategy. You accept it or not.

No one said 'bad at war,' you're just getting twitchy because I pointed out how difficult their position was. Many people have conquered a lot of high ground from inferior forces before.

[Hektor12]

No one said 'bad at war,' you're just getting twitchy because I pointed out how difficult their position was. Many people have conquered a lot of high ground from inferior forces before.

I said Turks have planned and enforced a reliable strategy and that resulted in success. Admit that and there's no problem.

[Longbowman]

I said Turks have planned and enforced a reliable strategy and that resulted in success. Admit that and there's no problem.

Of course - that strategy would likely not have worked had they been on an even footing with the Armenians in terms of manpower and resources, however. As you say - they had the high ground.

[Castor]

That doesn't erase the crimes they commited against the Azerbaijani population.

Clean your yard first before asking others to clean theirs.

[Blondie]

No, i'm not trying to claim such status but all the world know Turks are not bad at war, thats one fact. You need "more" than technological and personnel superiority to take one of the strongest defended high-grounds of the world, and that was, very clearly, a succesful strategy. You accept it or not.

Not bad but not good, nothing speacial. Turks were very unsuccessful at WW1 against the arab rebels although german officers trained them to professional warfare. The problem is Turkey has no significant industry like in Germany or Russia, they have no enough agricultural land to feed the army and it's very big population that's why the turkish military power is limited. Yes Turkey is great power in the region but that's all, they have no chance against such countries like Italy, Germany, France, England, Russia.

[Caucasianturkk]

Turks were very unsuccessful at WW1 against the arab rebels although german officers trained them to professional warfare.

Arabian Revolt started at 1916.At that time turks had to fight with Russia(They occupied NorthEastTurkey)+Eastern Anatolian rebels(Basically Armenians ,pontians+other christian rebels)+Arabic islamic rebels etc etc
Also we lost many men and strenght in both Balkan Wars and WW1 before Arabian revolt started
We had even no men to reach to Arabian Lands.So even they trained by germans it meant nothing since we had lack of men power.

Just wanted to explain it

[Blondie]

Arabian Revolt started at 1916.At that time turks had to fight with Russia(They occupied NorthEastTurkey)+Eastern Anatolian rebels(Basically Armenians ,pontians+other christian rebels)+Arabic islamic rebels etc etc
Also we lost many men and strenght in both Balkan Wars and WW1 before Arabian revolt started
We had even no men to reach to Arabian Lands.So even they trained by germans it meant nothing since we had lack of men power.

Just wanted to explain it

Only 20 million, what is not much. If you want to compare it to others Austria-Hungary had 52 million. Modern Turkey has enough men power but it has same problem like Ottoman Empire: lack of industry and enough agricultural lands (food) for 85 million people. Turkey can defeat such little countries like Armenia but in a real war against higher level european enemy (England, France, Germany, Italy, Russia) Turkey would collapse very quickly.